UK sentences another baby to death

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UK sentences another baby to death

Yepper, boy give some of that Liberal Socialized medical care.

UK Execution

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But progressives are more

But progressives are more caring! Even when you're too expensive to be allowed to live, they will make sure you die humanely...

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http://www.breitbart.com

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/27/alfie-isaiah-charlie-children...

The current list of the condemned children courtesy of British socialized pseudo medicine.,

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They cannot even make the

They cannot even make the argument of "conserving the resource" in that the parents of the Evans boy wanted to take the child to Italy costing the British system zero.

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It cannot be allowed. It

It cannot be allowed. It would encourage others to want the same in the domestic system. Individuals don't matter, only the group. That is socialism.

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What you mention is several

What you mention is several steps beyond simple socialism, it is the ultimate tyranny and the antithesis on which the Republic was founded. The original settlers tried a variant of socialism-nobody worked and they starved, sort of a preview of what it has now mutated to. Venezuela here we come. From kiddies to geezers, you'd best not become too inconvenient or expensive to the kakistocracy-they'll just cancel your lease-as in lease on the planet.

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A little more on the amalgam

A little more on the amalgam of bureaucrats who, in effect, took the lives of Charley Gard and Alfie Evans. Not a pretty picture, but seemingly entirely consistent with socialized medicine and legal systems that fancy themselves masters of the universe regardless of which side of the pond they are on.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/04/27/newt-gingrich-alfie-evans-is-c...

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/04/30/john-zmirak-alfie-evans-case-s...

And an article on one of the hospitals involved with the children under the British NHS, and the quality of care and ethics involved in their operations and policies.

https://spectator.org/alfie-evans-is-just-the-latest-victim-of-a-deadly-...

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So. Help me understand.

So. Help me understand. Imagine this were in the US.

- Baby has untreatable condition.
- There's no insurance to cover it.
- Your position is that we, the American people, should keep this baby on life support, for 10, 20, 40, 70 years? Paid for by whom?

I'm just curious as to how you suggest paying for the never ending life sustaining support?

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Here's a balanced article

Here's a balanced article about this. Well worth reading.

Its easy to say "evil to let the child die". Its much harder to understand the child was in extreme pain.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/7/6/15923758/charlie-gard-global-con...

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LewistonLiberal -

LewistonLiberal -

If this were the US, the infant would receive donated or charity care, if the parents were as tenacious as the ones in question.

Did anyone suggest that the American people - as taxpayers - should provide indefinite life support or are you arguing with a straw man?

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Family friend had brain

Family friend had brain cancer living in UK once and it reoccurred they had private insurance that was available ,she is till dead.

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This baby was given Italian

This baby was given Italian citizenship by the Italian government which also offered FREE transportation, FREE medical treatment of a new procedure which "might" have helped. There was NO cost at all to the UK Socialized Medical program however, ...they refused to release him to his parents so they could take him to Italy. The UK medical system employees and government jerks murdered this kid by denying him a chance for treatment.

We see here the clear vision of evil that is Socialism. Those who rule think they know more and understand better than we mere people and they intend to rule with an iron fist for our own good...even if they have to kill us.

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Economike,

Economike,

You are seriously suggesting that tenacity results in donated or charity care for anyone in need in the US?

Hey everyone, great news: there’s no health care problem in the US, according to Emike. Everyone has access! You just have to have gumption.

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Socialism promises full

Socialism promises full everything.

Once this is in place, they suddenly discover that... this costs... a LOT.

Your illness is too expensive, sorry... no coverage for you. Gotta make lists of things that cost too much...

Wait... denial of care... isn't that where we started?

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Pay attention, Matt.

Pay attention, Matt.

No, tenacity alone doesn't get just "anyone" charity health care in the US. We're talking about parents of a dying infant with a rare disease. My serious suggestion is that this is a case likely to generate sympathetic support. As was the exact result in the UK (and beyond), where government obstructed such efforts.

A difference is that in the US, the Gummint wouldn't have de facto terminated parental rights.

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here’s how AMG folk look at a

here’s how AMG folk look at a case like this.

“Liberal, socialized” medical provider cuts off treatment for a hopeless case: unconscionable!

Insurance company in privatized system cuts off treatment for a hopeless case: rational and justifiable.

Uninsured baby doesn’t get treatment of any kind: well, what’d you expect? Healthcare isn’t a right. Tough shit.

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Capitalist medicine for

Capitalist medicine for difficult cases: possible, but difficult. Insurer and/or government may not pay. Treatment can still be obtained through private or donated funding or services.

Socialist medicine for difficult cases: illegal. The government won't pay, and no other method of payment or treatment is allowed.

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"here’s how AMG folk look at

"here’s how AMG folk look at a case like this.

“Liberal, socialized” medical provider cuts off treatment for a hopeless case: unconscionable!

Insurance company in privatized system cuts off treatment for a hopeless case: rational and justifiable.

Uninsured baby doesn’t get treatment of any kind: well, what’d you expect? Healthcare isn’t a right. Tough shit."

Which, being interpreted, means:

"I don't have a logical response to Economike, so I'll put up a bunch of straw men labeled "AMG" to distract from my lack of an answer."

You're welcome.

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Thanks, Vikingstar.

Thanks, Vikingstar.

Once again, Matt displays his self-deceptive belief that he knows better what "AMG folk" think than do the individuals themselves who bring their differing points-of-view to AMG.

There is a word to describe those whose prejudices prevent them from appreciating individual difference.

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Lol.

Lol.

Myopic Mike strikes again!

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Pont of clarification.

Pont of clarification.
Is "AMG Folk" the same as " ILK" ?

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"Lol.

"Lol.

Myopic Mike strikes again!"

A further translation:

"I have no rational response, so I'll resort to ridicule rather than reveal (to myself--everyone else already knows) my inability to have a reasonable conversation."

No need to thank me, it's just a public service.

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Careful, or he'll start with

Careful, or he'll start with his "impeach 45" chant.

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Is "AMG Folk" the same as "

Is "AMG Folk" the same as "ILK"?

No, Brucie, but there is barely a c-hair of a difference between "AMG folk" and "KKK".

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The real Lance surfaces.

The real Lance surfaces.

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Jassie you ignorant twit, the

Jassie you ignorant twit, the KKK are Dems. In fact Hillary's mentor (in her own words) was an Exalted Cyclops of the KKK. You can look it up.

Those damn fact are stubborn things.

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That was before your heros

That was before your heros Nixon and Reagan implemented their southern strategy, making racism a plank in the conservative platform.

And that’s a fact as well, you ignorant twit.

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Jassie you ignorant twit, the

Jassie you ignorant twit, the KKK are Dems.

So is Dutson, for all practical purposes.

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Every school kid knows that

Every school kid knows that the party platforms, not their names, changed decades ago, though I did read an opposing view on infowars once. Alex Jones is an AMG hero. Figures.

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The piss gargling Mat manages

The piss gargling Mat managed to sputter: " . . That was before your heros Nixon and Reagan implemented their southern strategy . . "

Hmm.

Why Did the Democratic South Become Republican?

YOUTUBE 5:19

The south used to vote Democrat. Now it votes Republican. Why the switch? Was it, as some people say, because the GOP decided to appeal to racist whites? Carol Swain, Professor of Political Science at Vanderbilt University, explains . .
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Professor Swain is a black woman. Oh, is she gunna get a whippin' !

Wipe the poo out of your eyes, Jasshole, so you can watch it, too.

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Wow, a cartoonish video using

Wow, a cartoonish video using mostly 2-syllable words and misleading and inaccurate "facts" with a black woman thrown in there for credibility. How convincing. LOL. Party of Lincoln, yeah right.

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