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MSEA will charge State Retirees with a new fee

During a July 27th meeting, the current president of MSEA announced that his union is planning to implement [u]a new fee for people in the Maine State Retirement System[/u]. Although Dana Graham refused to provide the meeting with additional information about when these fees would be implemented, or how much the retirees will lose from each check, I sincerely hope that information will be forthcoming. Retirement checks are an important source of income for a lot of Mainers.

If you know anyone who belongs to the Maine State Retirement System, please make sure they are aware of Dana Graham's announcement. With a little luck, our state retirees will get a chance to take a close look at the MSEA expenses and questionable accounting practices. Unless the MSEA becomes willing to improve many of their practices, I hope all retirees affected by this new fee will refuse to make these payments.

To learn more about an upcoming arbitration case against MSEA, which is supposed to involve a fair and impartial judge/arbitrator, please visit [b][url]http://www.unfairshare.org/arbitration.htm[/url].[/b]

The so-called "fair share" fee was determined in a very unfair manner, and seems to be taking advantage of many hard-working state employees.

Mark T.

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Mark,

How can they take this out of teachers retirement if that teacher had not been a union member? And, how can a union, on it's own, attatch retirement account funds? There has to be more to this than what you are reporting.

By the way, unfairshare.org is a great site.

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If the retiree refuses to pay does he get fired?

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I suspect the retiree wil simply never see the money at all. It will be stolen at the source.

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[quote="Luv2Travel"] supposed to involve a fair and impartial judge/arbitrator [/quote]

Where are you going to find one of those in Maine? In my experience the judges in Maine are sniveling liberal nit-wits, concerned more with impressing their lefties patrons then dispensing impartial fairness.

Heck, if they had a brain, why would they leave a lucrative private practice for the 50-70% pay cut a judgeship requires?

Well, there might be an exception or two. Good luck getting that guy, though, if your case comes up.

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Who's next, the kids at daycare?

[quote="Tom C"]Where are you going to find one of those in Maine...Good luck getting that guy, though, if your case comes up.[/quote]

Thanks for the good luck wish, as our case will definitely come up. However, having been through the same process against the MSEA last year, I now understand what the term "kangaroo court" means. As many people agree, last year's arbitration case was a joke but we did learn some very revealing information about how the MSEA runs. With that said, I sincerely hope the retirees will fight the union's attempt to take their money. Who's next, the kids at daycare? Go Woodcock!!!

Mark T.

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I am a State retiree, but I took my money in one lump sum.
My theory was, " take the money and run!"
How they will charge me will be interesting. Payments will be delivered by Smith & Wesson.

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THEY WILL STILL VOTE FOR THE CROOK.

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[quote="Paul Mattson"]THEY WILL STILL VOTE FOR THE CROOK.[/quote]

No way, I sincerely hope they will kick-him-out! I was speaking with several people today that all said the same thing, Baldacci's done! Lets hope that's true.

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Let's have a little rational thought here and understand some basics.

Teachers are not covered under same retirement plan as State Retirees!
The MSRS provides plans for several groups but they are separate plans.

Also, I believe retirees can remain members of MSEA but are not obligated too.
How can you fire someone for not paying fair share when they don't have a job/employer?

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[quote="Bruce Libby"]How can you fire someone for not paying fair share when they don't have a job/employer?[/quote]

Great question! That exact question was thrown at Dana during last week's meeting at the MDOT, and he refused to give us any more details. Needless to say, I have a hunch he wasn't even supposed to acknowledge what he did. However, as soon as the KJ becomes aware of this fact, the MSEA will have some explaining to do.

Mark

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AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

This may be a dumb question but.... what would this fee be for? How is it the Union can take money from Retiree's if they are retired. Are they still considered as Union Members? Curious!

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[quote="towncrier"] what would this fee be for?Towncrier[/quote]

The union represents the MSRS, so they also want their "fair share" for these folks. As Dana said last week, "we deserve to get fair share from everyone we represent...you've had a free ride for long enough."

I'm not 100% opposed to the concept of paying my "fair share", but I refuse to support an organization which is clearly dancing in some dirty water. No thank you!

Mark

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[quote="Calvin"]I am a State retiree, but I took my money in one lump sum.
My theory was, " take the money and run!"
How they will charge me will be interesting. Payments will be delivered by Smith & Wesson.[/quote]

Calvin, my wife retires next year, God willing. How did you get to take it in one lump sum? Did that include both your contributions and the schools? Or just yours with interest?

Last quesiton, how does that effect your being able to draw any Social Security you or your wife earned?
Thanks,
Bob

PS, I would have pm'd you with this, but, I have to figure others are wondering the same thing. bob

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Bob, I'm glad you didn't send a PM with those questions, as I was also wondering about the lump sum option. Sad to say, but I need to learn a lot more about the whole retirement system process.

Mark

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[quote="Luv2Travel"]Bob, I'm glad you didn't send a PM with those questions, as I was also wondering about the lump sum option. Sad to say, but I need to learn a lot more about the whole retirement system process.

Mark[/quote]

Yea, us too Mark, esspecially since my wife is not a nea or msea member, she belongs to the AAE. A lum sum settlement would be just fine with us, I'd much rather have the money sitting in the adminstrative hadns of a Prudential Insurance company rather than the crooks in Augusta.

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Guys I believe you will find that any contribuiting member of a MSRS plan can
upon leaving employment at covered job or retiring take their contributions
plus a small interest percentage as a lump sum. However one gives up all other benefits by doing so. On state side
when one retires one uses their own contributions first them retirement fund pays your benefit under your
chosen plan options. I believe most investment people would advise against this in most cases.
But that is a individual choice. And if one has a feeling that they are all crooks it is better to leave I quess.
One should consider this , the only reqiurement is for the fund to be solvent. The bottom line
is , that means when the bank cashes my mothers check from MSRS it is solvent.

Two things here I am one astonded at the misinformation out here about MSRS from public employees
and two it is unfortunate to label this agency in any negative light since I have found them to be one of the most
helpful efficient and service orientated functions of government. I know they work for only those of us who people
seem to recent but they are good.

Politicians who mess with plans are the bad ones!

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[quote="Luv2Travel"] The union represents the MSRS,
Mark[/quote]

The MSEA has nothing to do with the MSRS.

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The Maine State Retirement System is well run. It is run by a board, which includes representatives of those in the system. The only problem with it is the politicians owe the system money, along with lots of other people.

The pension benefits are a great deal for state employees. They do not have to pay into Social Security and get a generous pension.

Many large companies are ending such plans because of the costs.

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[quote="Dan Billings"]The pension benefits are a great deal for state employees. They do not have to pay into Social Security and get a generous pension.
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I can't speak for state worker, but municipal and county workers paying into MSRS also pay into SS. Firefighters do not.

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State employees do not pay into Social Security. They do pay the Medicare tax.

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Like I said Dan, I can't speak for state employees, but municipal and county workers do pay into SS.

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As a teacher my wife does not pay into SS unless she works a job outside of teaching. As for he job as a teacher, she pays only into the MSRS.

Tony

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[quote="Robert"]The MSEA has nothing to do with the MSRS.[/quote]

Robert, you should check your facts. You will find the following information listed on the MSEA website, http://www.mseaseiu.org. Plus, Dana Graham acknowledged at a recent meeting that MSEA plans to begin charging MSRS members an additional "fair share" fee.

"ABOUT MSEA...
[b]We are active and retired workers of[/b] Maine State Governments' Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches, [b]Maine State Retirement System[/b], Maine Technical College System, Maine Maritime Academy, Maine Turnpike Authority, City of Lewiston, Green Valley Association, Treats Falls, York County and Gorham House. Our membership is expanding as more workers who provide services to the people of the State of Maine organize under our banner."

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[quote="Luv2Travel"]Plus, Dana Graham acknowledged at a recent meeting that MSEA plans to begin charging MSRS members an additional "fair share" fee.[/quote]

He did indeed say that.

Additionally, he was not happy when asked to describe the process of decertifying the MSEA... :wink:

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[quote="Luv2Travel"]
Robert, you should check your facts. [/quote]

Check your facts. The MSEA may have a representative on the board, but they do not represent the MSRS. MSRS is not only for state workers. Municipal and county workers also belong to the system. Union and non union employees alike, belong.

I will get the full story of your claims Monday.

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Without having to go through the whole website you linked, could you tell me what I am looking for?

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[quote="Robert"]Without having to go through the whole website you linked, could you tell me what I am looking for?[/quote]

Robert, this should help you find the content related to the MSRS. Since Dana refused to give us any additional information at that meeting, I don't know exactly how the two organizations are working together, but they seem to have some cooperative activities taking place.

If you speak with the union next week, and if they give you some clear answers, I hope you will post that information. However, be advised, they seem to enjoy dancing around and/or dodging questions as much as possible. I hope the following will assist you.

1) From their home page, [url]http://www.mseaseiu.org/[/url], scroll down past all of their pro-Baldacci and pro-Dirigo BS to the following section:
"Attention MSEA-SEIU Members!
Sign Up Now for Retirement Planning Seminars...
The Seminar schedule:
First Night: Your [u]Maine State Retirement System [/u]Benefits in Retirement, 6 PM; followed by..."

2) From the homepage, click on the first pull-down option on the upper left (probably says "Uniting Workers") and select the "Who We Are" option. A page titled "ABOUT MSEA..." will then become visible. The third paragraph says: "We are active and retired workers of Maine State Governments' Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches, [u]Maine State Retirement System[/u], Maine Technical College System, Maine Maritime Academy, Maine Turnpike Authority, City of Lewiston, Green Valley Association, Treats Falls, York County and Gorham House. Our membership is expanding as more workers who provide services to the people of the State of Maine organize under our banner."

3) Under the same pull-down bar, there is another page called "[u]RETIREES[/u]..." which seems to explain many of the items they are doing on behalf of our retirees. It also states, "Through MSEA you have an effective voice in the Maine Legislature..." Please note; since the wife of MSEA's executive director was also a State Representative for three recent legislative sessions (120th, 121st, 122nd), and coincidentally sat on both the Labor and Taxation committees, I am quite certain Rep. Deborah Hutton was looking out for her husband's organization.

4) In addition, if you visit the MSRS website at http://www.msrs.org, and look under "LINKS", the MSEA happens to have an extremely prominent link from their site.

As they say, this isn't rocket science. The MSEA and MSRS are clearly working together on some stuff, although it's unfortunate if the "members" will be the last ones to find out what's happening...

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None of the links you provide says anything about charging retirees a new fee.

A bargaining unit is only as good as its members. Dana Graham works for the members, not the other way around. Sounds to me like there is very little solidarity among members of each unit.

If I had to pay fair share, what 85%, I would become a full member and hold the union accountable. It will be easier to change things from within.

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