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[quote]David Parker and other parents filing massive federal civil rights lawsuit against Town of Lexington and numerous public school officials over teaching homosexuality to young children.

On Thursday, April 27, Lexington parents David Parker and his wife, along with Rob and Robin Wirthlin, will be filing a major federal civil rights lawsuit in United States District Court in Boston.

According to a press release from the attorneys, the lawsuit has three counts: first, it alleges violations of the Federal Civil Rights of the plaintiffs by the defendants; second, it alleges violations of the plaintiffs' Massachusetts Civil Rights; and third, violation of the State's Parental Notification law [which we wrote and got passed in 1996] which ensures notification to parents prior to discussion with students regarding human sexuality issues.

The suit is seeking, among other things, injunctive relief, compensatory damages, punitive damages, exemplary damages, and attorney's fees.[/quote]

http://www.massresistance.com/latest_news.html

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It would seem some people in Mass. have more backbone them most people in Maine when it comes to protecting their children from harm.
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[quote="boston.com"]Last month, the Wirthlins objected when a teacher read a storybook about two princes who fall in love to their son's second grade class without notifying them.

Parker was jailed last year after he refused to leave a school when officials declined to exclude his 6-year-old son from discussions of gay parents. Parker initially complained after his son brought home a "diversity book bag" with a book that depicted a gay family.[/quote]

[quote="landry"]It would seem some people in Mass. have more backbone them most people in Maine when it comes to protecting their children from harm.
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Despite being threatened and arrested, Parker wasn't intimidated.

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Please...

Parker is a Christian Activist...He knows exactly what he is doing.

All this because of a book that discusses different families. What a waste of time.

If this was a sexuality class..I am sure he could take his kids out...

If you read the transcript, he should have been arrested. He was allowed plenty...he pushed it over the edge.

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How I miss my old hometown, sometimes.

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[quote][b]The legal brief attempts to make the point that the state has a legal obligation to teach homosexual issues to young children in the public schools[/b] (justified in part by the same-sex marriage ruling), [b]and that parents [u]do not [/u]have the right to be remove their children from those topics[/b], or even be notified.

[url=http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker_lawsuit/press_release_100506.h...

F O R I M M E D I A T E R E L E A S E

Major national gay groups, ACLU, and others file brief in federal court opposing David Parker’s civil rights lawsuit on teaching homosexuality in elementary school.

Groups include: Human Rights Campaign, ACLU, Massachusetts Teachers Association, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, plus local gay organizations.

WALTHAM, MASSACHUSETTS (OCT 5, 2006). Major national and state pro-homosexual groups have filed an amicus curiae brief in Massachusetts District Court opposing Lexington parent David Parker’s federal civil rights lawsuit, filed earlier this year.

Given the high degree of interest that these groups have shown toward the Parker incident and court case, it’s expected that they will offer continued legal and financial support to stop the Parker lawsuit. On Wednesday evening in Bedford, Massachusetts, the ACLU held a “Human Relations Council”/No Place for Hate forum at which the David Parker issue was a primary topic by the presenter.

"Why are all these groups – especially the national groups -- so interested in a parent’s right to decide what moral issues are taught to his children by adults in elementary school, especially regarding homosexuality?” asks Brian Camenker, president of MassResistance. “This is outrageous and very frightening. They must see David Parker’s case as quite a threat to their ability to push their message on children.”

[b]The legal brief attempts to make the point that the state has a legal obligation to teach homosexual issues to young children in the public schools [/b](justified in part by the same-sex marriage ruling), and that parents do not have the right to be remove their children from those topics, or even be notified. “This really seems to expose their true agenda,” added Camenker.

David Parker was arrested and jailed in Lexington, Massachusetts in April 2005, over his request – and the school’s refusal – to notify him when adults discuss homosexuality or transgenderism with his 6-year-old kindergartner, despite state law which requires parental notification. The incident made national news, with even Gov. Mitt Romney agreeing with Parker. Then in March 2006, the same school presented the book “King and King”, about homosexual romance and marriage, to second graders, and again refused to grant parental notification. In April 2006, Parker and the other parents filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against school officials and the Town of Lexington over the incidents and the town’s refusal to follow state law. The suit is pending trial. The families are being represented by Denner, Pellegrino, LLP, of Boston.

For more information (or interviews) call:
MassResistance 781-890-6001

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I cannot speak either way to Parker's actions in the classroom and his arrest, since there's a great deal of hearsay on both sides of that argument.

However, I would never agree to schools refusing parental opt-out capability for their children. Parents should always, without fail, have the right to decide whether their children should be pulled from a particular class, and a substitute curriculum should always be offered if that's the parents' decision. That's the way our school district does it, and I wouldn't accept anything less.

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[quote="charlotte"]If you read the transcript, he should have been arrested. [/quote]

How so?

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Naran...basically the school does have an opt out program for this parent. The only problem is this parent wanted to be notified even if a child asked a benign question about a fellow students parents...say who might be gay. The school does not have any sex ed programs at that age.

Agatha...he was told to remove himself from the property and did not do so.

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You know Charlotte, I think a parent [b]should[/b] be able to request a phone call when certain subjects come up in class, planned or otherwise. These are their kids we're talking about. I'm sure there are subjects you'll want to know what is being discussed too. I've made such phone calls in the past. A pain, yep, but it goes a long way to keeping the communication open and tempers down. Parents don't feel like the schools are usurping their rights and the schools build great PR. What is the harm in a phone call?

This could have all been avoided with one call.

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Shan, when kids talk between each other about their families...should there be a call home? I mean, when do you expect class instruction to happen? This man was upset that gay parents were coming up when kids were talking to each other...a far cry from a sex class. Should a teacher have to call a gay parent when a child discusses their heterosexual parents?

Come on...

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Shandier wrote:

"This could have been avoided with one phone call".

You are spot on, Shandier.

It's only fair and a matter of simple courtesy to call the parents.

One simple phone call.

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Charlotte...."Please"....(To quote you often) Dont forget that Parents have rights.There are other ways to push your agenda. As a teacher myself,I know what topics belong to the parents.No one has a right to push their values(Or the lack there of, in this case) on students.

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Both...when kids talk amoung themselves...should the teacher have to call the parents? Again, no teaching would get done. I am talking about kids discussing their families...

Teachers cannot take the time to monitor every child's discussion....

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The guy is a criminal and a loudmouth who is wasting taxpayer dollars.

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Charlotte,
Remember [quote]when kids talk amoung themselves...should the teacher have to call the parents?[/quote] when your child is in school. Are you going to turn over your parental rights for the time your child is in school?

My daughter was exposed to something when she was in fifth grade that I wish she hadn't. Had I found our from her, I would have been upset, but her teacher and the school principal called to let me know. They took a few minutes to let me know what happened. They answered my questions. Situation diffused. All this [b]without disrupting[/b] the teaching of my daughter's class [b]or[/b] my ability to teach my students. Imagine that.

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Shan, I believe a parent should know what their child is learning. However, I also plan to send my child into school with a strong moral foundation. I don't think a child discussing their home and parents will destroy that foundation. In addition, my hope is that my child will bring that information home and we will discuss it.

Now, if the situation is serious...sure I hope the teacher would let me know. However, a child talking about his/her gay parents is not going to rock the foundation of any child....

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Second grade?
What the hell?
Adults can't even agree on these issues.
I've got to say that this is an indoctrination agenda, pure and simple.
Steal some more childhood, you idiots.
High school?
OK.
But SECOND GRADE?!
COME ON!

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Exactly, Tom!!!!!

And "charlotte" is once again working very hard to shift the focus of this thread from what actually happened, to merely "a child talking about his/her gay parents".

[b]That's not what these lawsuits are about! READ THEM![/b]

David Parker's lawyers filed a [url=http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker_lawsuit/filed_rebuttal.pdf]pow... rebuttal[/url] defending his right to bring federal civil rights lawsuit - in answer to motion to *dismiss by defendants:

[quote]The plaintiffs do NOT wish to direct or control curriculum, and nothing in the Complaint makes such a request upon the court.5 At a minimum, they wish no more than to obtain notice that sensitive topics are being discussed. Second, while the power and right of administrators to maintain plenary control over school curriculum is of paramount importance, it is not absolute. The difficult questions arise when, such as here, parents wish to partake in public education, but opt out of a singular activity deemed to deeply intrude upon the parents’ fundamental moral and religious duties.[/quote]

[b]It is indeed about, an "indoctrination agenda" as Tom so aptly pointed out.[/b]

*Read the [url=http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker_lawsuit/aclu_brief.pdf]amicus curiae brief[/url] filed by the following~
National homosexual groups:
Human Rights Campaign
Human Rights Campaign Foundation
Massachusetts groups:
American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts
Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders
Massachusetts Teachers Association
Local groups:
Lexington Teachers Association
Lexington C.A.R.E.S.
Respecting Differences

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[quote="charlotte"]
Now, if the situation is serious...sure I hope the teacher would let me know. However, a child talking about his/her gay parents is not going to rock the foundation of any child....[/quote]Charlotte, what is very serious to me may not be to you. Why not let the parent decide? What if the child of a KKK member decided tell his class how great his lifstyle is, should you be notified this discussion was taking place in your childs classroom? What would be off limits to your second grade child?

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[quote="charlotte"]Shan, when kids talk between each other about their families...should there be a call home? I mean, when do you expect class instruction to happen? This man was upset that gay parents were coming up when kids were talking to each other...a far cry from a sex class. Should a teacher have to call a gay parent when a child discusses their heterosexual parents?

Come on...[/quote]

I am sorry, but what 'class instruction'? I fail to see how the issue has anything at all to do with public schooling or education.

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If this is classroom instruction, I support allowing parents to pull there kid out of any instruction they don't want their kids involved with.

However, if kids are talking in the classroom..and one discusses their parents who happen to be gay...I don't believe a teacher needs to call...or has the time and effort to call for each one of these spontaneous discussions.

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[quote="charlotte"]If this is classroom instruction, I support allowing parents to pull there kid out of any instruction they don't want their kids involved with.

However, if kids are talking in the classroom..and one discusses their parents who happen to be gay...I don't believe a teacher needs to call...or has the time and effort to call for each one of these spontaneous discussions.[/quote]
Well, did you read any previous posts?
[quote]David Parker was arrested and jailed in Lexington, Massachusetts in April 2005, over his request – and the school’s refusal – to [b]notify him when [i]adults[/i] discuss homosexuality or transgenderism with his 6-year-old kindergartner,[/b] [size=18]despite state law which requires parental notification.[/size] The incident made national news, with even Gov. Mitt Romney agreeing with Parker. [b]Then in March 2006, the same school presented the book “King and King”, about homosexual romance and marriage, to second graders, and again refused to grant parental notification.[/b][/quote]
Where are you getting this 'if kids are talking in the classroom..and one discusses their parents who happen to be gay...'
No offense, but your seeming attempt at obfuscation is quite transparent here.
The issue is the content of the curriculum and parental rights regarding such, not small talk by seven year-olds.
WHICH SHOULD BE ABOUT COOL THINGS LIKE PLAYING BALL AND MARBLES AND HOPSCOTCH AND RIDING BICYCLES, [size=18]NOT HUMAN SEXUALITY!!!![/size]
[size=24]THEY'RE 7 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!![/size]
Sorry, but the gaygenda apparently can't be bothered with such details.
Easy if you don't have kids of your own, I guess.
Jesus! Leave the children alone until at least after puberty; OK, you poor gender-challenged lost souls?
Sorry you had to suffer with your 'affliction'.
I feel your pain, I really do.
YOU deal with it, but don't try to train young kids to accept what, for the most part, both society and the natural world have rejected as not conducive to the survival of either.
If being discreet is a consequence of the cards you were dealt, so be it.

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"Mass parents file massive federal civil rights lawsuit" As well they should .... Again, put this story in every household. Lets see what public opinon is.

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Tom O...hold on...you are getting your information from "mass Resistance" ...a conservative organization in Mass. that is very anti-gay. You might want to do a bit more research.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/timeline_events.html

Here is actually their timeline of what happened...

This man doesn't want books that have different families including some that are gay and lesbian households.

Quotes from school... I[quote] can tell you that we do not have any part of the Kindergarten curriculum that teaches students about gay values. What I can't control is what students may say to one another, as we do have children in our school who have parents who are same sex partners[/quote].

[quote]I have confirmed with our Assistant Superintendent and our Director of Health Education that discussion of differing families, including gay-headed families, is not included in the parental notification policy.[/quote]

Not talking sex, talking families...

I would agree that kids should not be taught sex when their 7...we agree! However, like it or not..some kids have gay parents...and they have every right to discuss their parents and families as do the heterosexual run households.

You might think Tom, that being a gay parent is something to be ashamed of...I don't. Kids are not being taught sex, they are being taught tolerance of different families.

Please, read the site and others...I know you might think this is a gay "free for all"...but actually, it is being blown way out of proportion by this organization and Mr. Parker.

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[quote]This man doesn't want books that have different families including some that are gay and lesbian households.[/quote]
Aha! So they ARE 'different'...
[quote]This man doesn't want books that have different families including some that are gay and lesbian households.[/quote]
He does not want it presented as the norm; nor do I...
[quote]'I have confirmed with our Assistant Superintendent and our Director of Health Education that discussion of differing families, including gay-headed families, is not included in the parental notification policy.'[/quote]
This implies that teachers ARE involved in these discussions, these are not always spontaneous remarks by the kids; in fact, I'd be surprised if kids from 'differing families' brought it up very often.
[quote]You might think Tom, that being a gay parent is something to be ashamed of...I don't. Kids are not being taught sex, they are being taught tolerance of different families.[/quote]
Yeah, they want it all, don't they. A traditional parental role without a traditional spousal relationship; [size=9][i]which, by the way, is where babies come from. Shh, the children might be listening...[/i][/size]
Don't get me wrong, whatever consenting adults want to do in their personal lives is ok by me.
But aberrant behavior should not be taught as the norm to young children, and discussion of it should be discouraged in the actual classroom.
Most people ARE tolerant, until they and their children get force-fed values that should remain private, for the most part.
I've about had it with this generic blending, this sissification of American society that we see in everything from sexuality to white-washed holidays and 'acceptance' of everyone and everything; everybody's got an excuse and nothing is anybody's fault.
When do [size=18]I[/size] get [size=18]my[/size] turn to be offended?
Oh yeah, I guess I just did, sorta...
Don't see it being lobbied into the curriculum yet, though.
Go figure...

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Thank you LMD for posting the link to the ACLU brief. Nutty language includes:

[quote="ACLU and Homosexual Lobby Groups"]If a parent chooses to have his or her child attend the public schools, [b]that child has a right to a broad and high quality public education, [i]not one constrained by individual parental beliefs[/i][/b].

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker_lawsuit/aclu_brief.pdf[/quote]
The ACLU and LGBT friends also quote an earlier decision

[quote]“Exposing students to ideas their parents abhor is not a violation of the constitution.”

Brown v. Hot, Sexy, & Safer Productions, Inc.[/quote]

I wonder why Hot, Sexy, etc, is involved in a students case... :?

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[quote]He does not want it presented as the norm; nor do I... [/quote]

Sorry tom O...it is part of the diversity of families...and not illegal. It is normal in this society to many.

[quote]A traditional parental role without a traditional spousal relationship; which, by the way, is where babies come from. Shh, the children might be listening...
Don't get me wrong, whatever consenting adults want to do in their personal lives is ok by me. [/quote]

What is a traditional spousal relationship...missionary style? Children biologically come from gays too (shhh, the children might be listening, and some parent may sue)...

It isn't ok by you state..when you call it aberrant behavior...sorry, that is a cop out. You don't approve of what two gay people do in society.

What values/sexuality is being taught...that johnny might have mommies, or daddies..ohhh, that will just destroy society. Please, now a days it would be great to see two mommies/daddies/ or mom and dad stay together to raise healthy adults.

Oh, but your don't care what people do in their personal lives...unless they are gay, and don't want to hide it.

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"Children biologically come from gays too"....This is impossible....

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Don't think so chicky.

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George,
"Nutty" language and downright unsettling.

Consider this statement from the ACLU & friends brief, page 2 of 24:

[quote]What individual parents may not do, however, is demand control over the ideas to which their children will be exposed.[/quote]

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