MADD- passive technology to eliminate 13,000 deaths

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Let's take keys away from convicted OUI offenders hands

Thursday, November 23, 2006

Can "passive technology" eliminate some or even most of the 13,000 motor vehicle fatalities caused each year by drunk drivers?

That's the hope of Mothers Against Drunk Driving and allied groups, including the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

The alliance began a campaign this week to "eliminate drunk driving." It is asking every state to mandate ignition interlock devices on the cars of people convicted even once of OUI.

[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/viewpoints/editorials/061123madd.html]...

Al Amoling
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Here's another step towards a complete nanny state.

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Al Amoling, I don't see it as a nanny state action. Drunk drivers ruin other peoples families.

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I recognize that but I don't like the intrusion into my life of all these gadgets.

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I tend to not mind these since it is only for those convicted and it is a precaution. I don't know how effective they will be however.

I was watching a movie a few months back where a guy made his kid blow into it so he could start the car and drive.

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MADD is thinking small. Why not eliminate death altogether? Then we can all retire at 65 and spend eternity on Social Security. :P

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Listen..if someone cannot regulate their alcohol and have to drive while drunk...I am all for these devices being installed. Driving is a privilege...not a right.

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[quote="charlotte"] Driving is a privilege...not a right.[/quote]

Charlotte, a few interesting sites. [url=http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/DrivingRight.html]Dri... A Right, Not A Privilege[/url]

[quote]The following has been used in at least three states (Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia) as a legal brief to support a demand for dismissal of charges of "driving without a license." It is the argument that was the reason for charges being dropped, or for a "win" in court against the argument that free people can have their right to travel regulated by their servants. [/quote]

[url]http://www.arkenterprises.com/ritepriv.htm[/url]

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It would probably be more effective to just impound the car the offender was driving. If that puts a burden on the family, too bad. The drunk driver put a burden on everyone when he/she chose to drive. If a person will disregard the legal BAC limit, of course he will drive after losing his license.

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I agree. Impounding the car is the way to go.

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I heard a talk show interview on this gadget the other day. Apparently the only people required to have them are those with multiple OUI's. They are rented for $60 per month and must be returned to the supplier monthly to be "re-booted" or something. In addition to disabling the car if one attempts to drive after drinking the device records each attempt. It is set to disable the car if it detects a BAC of just above 0. They can also be rented or purchased by people not required to have them and set at a higher level to accomodate the social drinker who wants to avoid driving after "one too many". Apparently some parents have put them on cars driven by their kids. The representative of the company that supplies them acknowledged that the device can be "fooled" by having a non-drinking person breathe into it.

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The representative of the company that supplies them acknowledged that the device can be "fooled" by having a non-drinking person breathe into it.

Essentially this makes them nothing but a feel good device. Style over substance.

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[quote="Dennis"] They can also be rented or purchased by people not required to have them and set at a higher level to accomodate the social drinker who wants to avoid driving after "one too many". .[/quote]
There's an interesting idea. I wonder whether the makers of the device will stand behind it in court.

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Depsite the mindless "not a right" mantra, (I heard this so many times to justify stupid laws in the Legislature it started to remind me of walking dead in horror movies.) we are talking about people convicted of breaking the law and this is more about restrictions on criminals.

LarryB, I would guess that these items are calibrated and should be admissable in court if the numbers are close.

The obvious flaw is how easily they can be fooled, making them relatively useless except as a feel good legislation, which menas the liberals will be all over promoting them.

A simpler solution would be to take away people's right to buy alcohol after a certain number of OUI's. Why should it be illegal for a 19 year old, who just got back form a year in Iraq and has never driven drunk, to drink but OK for a 40 year old with 7 OUI's?

That is a great find by Robert, can any lawyers verify it?

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The only way to insure that the convicted person is the one using the machine would be iris ID technology. Make the person have eye contact with the machine while blowing into the tube - much more expensive for them, but it's either that or impound the vehicle, as Al suggested.

Otherwise, the possibility for fraud renders the devices useless.

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In brilliant communist fashion, China has the solution the Death penalty.

[url=http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engASA170571999]Amnesty International[/url]

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Naran, I don't think that the [u]possibility[/u] of fraud necessarily renders the device useless. Radar detectors did not result in the police abandoning the use of radar. It is like the old arguement that locks only keep honest people out. Locking the door is still not a bad idea. Impounding the car of an OUI offender isn't necessarily foolprooof either--they may use another car. Either aproach may help in some cases.

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[quote][b]NY man with anti-DWI device in car crashes rental[/b]
February 15, 2009

NEW YORK—Police on Long Island say a convicted drunken driver whose car was equipped with anti-drunken driving technology has crashed a rented vehicle while intoxicated.

Suffolk County police say Marvin Rice Jr. lost control of his rental car and hit a utility pole Sunday morning in Brentwood.

Police say the 27-year-old driver agreed after a previous DWI conviction to have his car equipped with a device that tests for alcohol in a driver's breath before starting the car.[/quote]

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2009/02/15/ny_man_with_anti_dwi_...

Sounds like he just rented a car without the device, and off he went.

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Maybe he only drives his own car when he has not been drinking. :wink: I wonder if he showed signs of being tipsy when he rented the car?

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Doubt it, somehow.

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