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I don't see buying oil from him as making him being hero. It's just less expensive.

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Why do you honor the Saudi's?

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I honored the Suadi's where?

[url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=chavez+low+income+oil+... Google site search of DU keywords Chavez low income oil [/url]

then there is this goodie

[quote]
Citgo Petroleum Corp, the US subsidiary of Venezuela's state oil company, plans to offer heating oil at a 40-per-cent discount to more than 400,000 households in 16 northern US states and native American tribes - twice the breadth of last season's effort.

Joseph Kennedy II, a former US congressman for the centre-left Democratic Party and nephew of the late president John F Kennedy, is spearheading the distribution. He heads a Boston charity that provides low-cost heating oil to the poor and elderly.
[/quote]

Why would distributing it through a states LIHEAP program be such a bad idea that Citizen's Energy has to get involved? That's an added hurdle for both oil dealers and the people who need the help.

Sorry laMaine, the oil deal isn't about oil for low-income people. If it was such a noble thing why doesn't any elected politician want their finger prints on it? If it's so good why can't it be done out in the open through existing mechanisms?

People hide things when they don't want every body to know exactly what it is they are doing. They don't hide things simply because they can.

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[quote]Joe is sucking up to commies. But then again............that's no change for Dems in Congress.[/quote]

OK. And what the heck was Bush doing in Vietnam again? How many Americans have the socialists in Venezuela killed in the past? How many Americans did the North Vietnamese leaders kill? A round figure will do. For that matter how many Saudis have killed Americans, and lets also compare that to the number killed by the Venezuelans... heck let's compare that to the danger posed by Cubans...

Really, are you really asking these questions? How the hell can you demonize the Venezuelans, who have provided cheap heating oil to American needy seniors, while offering no criticism to Bush for meeting with the very people who killed American troops and shot at my father a mere 35 years ago?

Its idiotic.

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LL~ Can't you address Joe Kennedy without playground semantics?

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[quote]We are allowing ourselves to become dependent on that cut rate oil.[/quote]

That is the same argument Wal-Mart bashers use to attack low prices. Getting a good deal on something doesn't make you dependant on it. Nor does paying too much set you free.

*&^ Kennedy, *&^*( Venezuela, anyplace we can get a limited natural resource at below market price is a good deal. Pump it back in the ground if you have to.

If someone offered to sell you waterfront land at below current market price would you turn them down?

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Yes.

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I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM A KENNEDY!!!

Only thing I might buy from Cuba are its cigars.. lol

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[quote="David Hughes"]Dan, the difference between you saying we should buy it and Robert saying we should buy it are tremendous.[/quote]

Why is that?

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Citizens Energy is more than a feel good NP helping
the poor. Only 20% of their activity has to be devoted
to poverty programs.

http://www.citizensenergy.com/

More to follow.

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mirgliP, if a private citizen, with their own hard earned money, wanted to make the choice of selling some nice waterfront property at a cut rate that would be one thing.

The government, confiscating money from the people, in order to sell waterfront land at a cut rate to members of a select group is entirely another things.

Robert, because I know Dan would tell Chavez to go pound sand when the favor got called. That is not clear with you. And based on your comments, if the favor didn't hurt you personally, I suspect you'd go along with it.

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[size=24]Energy Company Puts Forward Controversial Program [/size]

[b]12/8/2006[/b]

Mainers who can't afford to heat their homes this winter can get help from a new source. Citizens Energy has been helping people in Massachusetts for years. But now they're expanding the effort to Maine and a number of other states, with help from a controversial source.

Citizens Energy is a non-profit organization started 27 years ago by Joe Kennedy, of the famous Massachusetts Kennedy family. For the first time, it's offering to sell reduced price oil to Mainers.

[url=http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=47157]source[/url]

[i]DID THE KENNEDYS' GET THEIR START RUNNING BOOZE?[/i]

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Wondering?

I think I understand at least some of the sentiments expressed. Many, here, don't like anything associated with the Kennedys. Dependency of any kind is destructive to the development of personal responsibility. We shouldn't make our nation vulnerable to American hating, oil rich nations who could pull the oil plug at any time thus harming our economy but its OK to do this if we are willing to bite the bullet if/when such nations deprive us of their oil. Those who see creaping socialism in government bred dependency are countered by those who see hypocrisy evident in our dependence on the Saudies, and others like them, and in Bush visiting a countrty like Vietnam to establish foreign trade. One, I suppose, could go on. What strikes me is much of the debate is pragmatic in orientation. I am thinking this mostly with regard to fellow Christians who frequent AMG. One wonders if there are any biblical values that supercede pragmatism and, if there are, where they would lead us?

Dependency, biblically speaking, is not an original evil. We were made to be dependent on God and his word for all of life but inherited the seductions of a falsely based alternative with many teeth which we are resposible for discerning and moving away from. So, the question becomes, who or what has our nation, and the Christians in it, become dependent on? If its the God of the bible then what biblical values ought to be guiding the public policy thinking of Christians? If its things like the ideology of progress and related values like nationalism, material prosperity, and guaranteed security or even revolution then Christians, it seems to me, need to be looking more closely at the fact that Christ is Lord of all of life and doesn't embody any sacred/secular splits in his being. Rather, as Lord of all, he inspires a critical look at the left/right polarities that emerge on the back of assumptions that have driven Western culture, and especially our nation, for a very long time.

I am only asking questions I believe need to be asked and doing so with the assumption that biblical dependency necessitates biblical values translated into concrete public policy options that become part of the public debate. Pragmatism doesn't meet these criterion. Rather it assumes the value of the ideology of progress and acts to protect it. The biblical message originates in a a point if reference outside the values of this world and comes into it to expose what doesn't fit with life as God intends it to be. This isn't pie in the sky. Its incarnation and the willingness to engage in a struggle for God-obeying service to a King who has earned the right to be served by his people.

For those who fear this means theocracy I would argue this is what we have now, in secularistic clothing. The biblical position is far more tolerant, and principled, than the dogmatically secular one. Biblical tolerance makes room for weeds to grow and flourish. The tolerance of classic liberalism, left and right, assumes enlightened values, structures public life accordingly and then pretends to be open, all the while seeking to suppress or marginalize open faced religion when it seeks to present a public policy face.

So, I am wondering, where is the Christian voice that rejects accomodation to the values of this world and what does a transforming biblical vision look like when it comes not only to oil but to many other realms of human responsibility?

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[quote]Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.
[/quote]

There is no moral imperative here. Chavez is no more stealing from his people than Apple Computer is stealing from the far Asian's who are building the IPods.

I say pump him dry.

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Pumping for dollars

MirgliF's Quote:
Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.

There is no moral imperative here. Chavez is no more stealing from his people than Apple Computer is stealing from the far Asian's who are building the IPods.

I say pump him dry.

............................................

Is Chavez stealing from his people? Maybe, and maybe Apple is stealing from Asians, but that was not my point. Using your quote I would argue that if God owns everything and has all power in heaven and earth then Caesar owns nothing. In fact he owes God the stewardship of power public office is meant to express. Since all power resides in the Creator/Redeemer the same would hold true for all other forms of culture shaping power. Nothing lies outside the purview of his absolute authority. Just because some Christians operate out of a two-realm theory (sacred/secular or God/Caesar, which amounts to practical athiesm outside of worship) and secularists reject the earned right of God to full service from his people doesn't mean Christ is not Lord of all of life. If he is then not only Chavez and Apple need to take heed but so do the denizens of public policy in our own country, especially those who claim to be in Christ's camp.

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[quote][b]N.H. will accept free oil from Chavez after all[/b]

By Norma Love
Associated Press Writer
July 18, 2008 3:07 PM

CONCORD — Two years ago, New Hampshire refused to accept heating oil from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, the pro-Castro U.S. critic who once called President Bush "the devil." But with fuel prices rising, well, free oil is free oil.

...snip

The oil giveaway will be managed by Citizens Energy, a nonprofit organization set up by .... Joseph Kennedy to help the poor stay warm.... the state energy office plans to help Citizens publicize the aid and sign up fuel-oil dealers.[/quote]

[url=http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080718/NEWS/8...

Talk about "making a deal with the Devil." Gov. 38% must have talked them into it.
:roll:

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New Hampshire is rapidly morphing into a socialist state. With Vermont to the west and Maine to the east and Mass to the south, it doesn't stand a chance.

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The Party's Over

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,476145,00.html]Chavez Turns Off Free Oil Spigot[/url]

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Market reality hits liberal socialism

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No Bush to make fun of, no more program and no more free oil...imagine that, Bush is out and people lose free oil, and others lose their jobs at Citizens Oil....wow, how do you spin that as a democrat?

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Is this the same Joe Kennedy who inspired [url=http://westbrookdiarist.blogspot.com/2008/02/on-second-thought_03.html]this jaw-dropping quote[/url]?

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[quote][b]Citgo reverses position, will provide free oil to poor[/b]
January 7, 2009 04:49 PM

Two days after saying it would no longer provide free oil for about 200,000 low-income people, Citgo Petroleum Corp. has reversed course. The Venezuelan government's Texas-based oil subsidiary said today it will continue the shipments, which benefit residents and Native American tribes in 23 states. [/quote]

[url=http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/01/citgo_reverse_p.html]Sourc...

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Chavez changes his mind! He's an Obamazombie too....

[quote]Citgo, the Venezuelan government's U.S.-based oil subsidiary, is reversing course and will continue shipments of heating oil to poor families in the United States.[/quote]
[url=http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/07/business/NA-US-Citgo-Heating-O...

Edit: Naran beat me to it, now I know what she listens to :wink:

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You know, if he really wanted to make an impact, he would cut off [i]coffee[/i] and [i]banana[/i] exports. That would get the American consumers' attention!

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Naaah - he's still making money on those, Bob.

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Yet C N Brown, a CITGO distributor is a sponsor for this website.

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Question for all of you...

If Maine got $79 Million this year for LIHEAP, and they plan on assisting 84,000 families at an average of $792.00 each - which calculates out to $66.5M....WHERE IS THE OTHER $12.5M GOING? It can't cost that much to administer the program.

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