It's time for a Jordan Peterson, IDW thread

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It's time for a Jordan Peterson, IDW thread

The Intellectual Dark Web is a term coined by Eric Weinstein to fit the internet presence of free thinkers like his brother Bret Weinstein and the likes of Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, Maajid Nawaz, and Christina Hoff Sommers.

Quillette is one of the places where free thinkers publish their work on the web.

The IDW is an exciting place where thinkers can exchange ideas and arguments and evidence without the curation of the media or the imprimateur of the gatekeepers in academia. It's a way around the mainstream "conversation" or the prevailing narrative.

A feature of the IDW is the depth of thought and an attitude of enlightenment, not snark.
It's very appealing.

For your enjoyment, here is John Stossel with Dr. Peterson.

Please use this thread to post items from the IDW that appeal to you.

Edit: It will give you hope to know that the majority of the audience for these thinkers is young people.

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Mindless leftie smears of

Mindless leftie smears of Peterson display the strength of the zombie hive mind.

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My current favorite:

My current favorite:

https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/why-women-dont-code/

...a variation of Hanlon’s Razor that one should never attribute to oppression that which is adequately explained by free choice.

Being in computer science, I can tell you that the percentage of women in the business has gone down dramatically over the last few decades. With only 18% of current grads in computer science being women, that rate will continue to decline. No way can you get to 50/50 - if one company succeeds, another must fail.

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Thanks for Quillette link

Thanks for Quillette link Mainemom, quite a few words there.

https://quillette.com/2018/06/13/post-postmodernism-on-the-left/

My point in this brief essay hasn’t been to endorse any one of these particular perspectives. I think they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

I thought author's description of his essay as "brief" rather comical, it is probably as brief as you can be while addressing the various degrees of bullshit discussed by intellectuals.

While reading his wordy diatribe, my mind wandered, wondering as to what some of our illustrious "leaders" would think about it.

Like how do I get more campaign contributions, so I can further build my retirement villa then drop in with my golden parachute.

An interesting website, and I'll have to add to favorites.

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David Rubin, known as a stand

David Rubin, known as a stand-up comic, has become part of this counter-cultural IDW, in fact is making joint appearances with Jordan Peterson.

Here's a piece from his You Tube channel featuring Amy Chua discussing her book on political tribes in America. Good stuff, a challenge to any folks stuck in the movie playing their own head (I know I'm right and those others are wrong/evil.stupid, etc.).

David Rubin, Amy Chua, Michael Shermer

BTW, David Rubin was the speaker at a recent free-speech event at UNH and was the target of hateful protest by illiberal students, along with the threat of "outside agitators."

Not all welcome UNH free speech event
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DURHAM — A student-sponsored free-speech event at the University of New Hampshire was moved at the last minute because of alleged threats of violence to the Whittemore Center, where about 200 audience members sat in a 7,500 seat arena.

While there was no hint of violence during the Tuesday night talk sponsored by the UNH chapter of Turning Point USA, some students felt the event was inappropriate and hateful and tried to stop it from occurring by keeping attendees from entering the arena and by attempting to disrupt the talk given by political commentator and comedian Dave Rubin.

Rubin said he was surprised at his venue. “I did not think my day would end up in a hockey rink when I woke up this morning, but here we are,” Rubin said. Someone said that more people wanted to attend. “There’s more (people) outside? I think there’s room,” he said wryly.

The Turning Point event was to be in the much smaller Strafford Room inside the campus’ Memorial Union Building with a seating limit of 200 people. But UNH Police Chief Paul Dean said the department “had info of outside agitators.” ...

Rubin began by arguing that virtually every person in the room has it better than their grandparents and great-grandparents. “No matter what color or religion you are,” he said. Rubin attributed that to the freedom allowed in the country, and that while it can lead to being offended, speech should not be regulated, he said.

About eight minutes in, two students stood up and started chanting, “Black lives matter. Black lives matter.”

A very comfortable Rubin tried to engage the protestors. “I’ll agree that black lives matter,” he said. Rubin asked them to stop. “You’ve got the script down,” he said to them as they continued the same chant. When they would not stop, he said, “You are what is wrong with society. You are proving it right now.”

The chanters did stop after a while. A bit later, as Rubin was explaining his political views and how he was “begrudgingly pro-choice,” some started shaking containers with objects inside that made a loud ruckus. Rubin asked if the person wanted to ask a question, but the woman shook her head no.
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I've seen a video clip featuring the interaction with the person shaking containers. Dave Rubin repeatedly invited her to ask a question but she sat there, mum, making her noise.

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They want to have a

They want to have a "conversation" about issues - but only a one-sided one.

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“Liberals claim to want to

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
. William F. Buckley, Jr.

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It's a consequence of the

It's a consequence of the turning away from religion.

Apparently, humans need to believe. So strongly that when faith is lost, something else takes its place.

Leftists, rejecting faith, seem to latch onto something else to take its place.

Whatever this is, it is then followed with vigor at least equal to that of any religious fanatic. Everyone who doesn't follow the newly embraced "faith" is automatically evil. You don't have the right to disagree. You're a heretic or a denier, not worthy of saving but only of hell - whatever that means. They do say it that way, oddly enough, even though they believe in no such thing.

So it seems everything on the left is now totally exclusive. You must be left, you must be a progressive, you must be eco, you must be vegan, you must be pro-choice, you must be... pick a cause. It's now somebody's religion. Or the cult of personality - there's no corpse of Washington or Lincoln or Reagan on display for adulation, but Lenin is still there - not rotting. I predict they will attempt to put HRC on display when the time comes. You heard it here first. ;-)

And of course, "feeling" as they do, they cannot comprehend that anyone thinks differently. Thus, supporting Trump must be idol worship of your "orange messiah", as at least one AMGer has termed it. No, it couldn't possibly be that you made the best of a horrible choice - of course not, it must be worship. Just like they worship Clintons, Kennedys, Obamas, etc.

Yeah, we've just wiped that dang religion thing right off the planet...

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An interesting perspective on

An interesting perspective on Jordan Peterson:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/22/what-the-left-gets...

A lot more than just political commentary.

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Stoolsmith,

Stoolsmith,

Do liberals vote for people like Hillary Clinton to make the best of a bad situation, or is it always worship?

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Religious-like worship is

Religious-like worship is what got her on the ticket.
That and a few well placed "Arkancides".

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The troll goes to his old

The troll goes to his old standby, the insipid vulgar ad hominem attack.

Thus proving that, as usual, he has nothing.

Nobody on the left cried out "we're just making the best of it".

No, it was "the most qualified ever". Just as it was "the smartest ever" when Bill ran. Then we had "she's a woman" from the feminists, and all the other "she's the only..." reasons. Plus, my personal favorite, you're ( a bad person, evil, sexist, racist, *-o-phobe, uncaring, etc. ) if you vote for Trump.

Nobody gave a "making the best of it" reason for voting for Clinton. On the left, it is mandatory to vote for the approved choice of the party. The excuses are only for when they don't.

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Stoolsmith is a very

Stoolsmith is a very appropriate name for someone who has mastered the art of BS. You should take it as a compliment.

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I guess we should expect

I guess we should expect trolls to support each other.

Those who whine about how "vulgar" Trump is sure are quick to normalize it with their own behavior. Surely he must be their hero, for normalizing their behavior, right?

And, of course, not even an attempt at argument. Just attacks. They have nothing.

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Just as I thought. Stoolsmith

Just as I thought. Stoolsmith is so blind and ignorant—willful or not—that he sticks to the absurd notion that all liberals are enamored with HRC.

Idiotic. Literally.

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More vulgarity, more attack,

More vulgarity, more attack, zero content. The trolls close ranks...

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Yes, being enamored of

Yes, being enamored of Hillary is idiotic. Literally.

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Better response than mine,

Better response than mine, Mel. :)

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Stoolsmith lives in a fantasy

Stoolsmith lives in a fantasy world of his own creation. He’s delusional.

There’s no point in arguing anything with someone who sees only what they want to see.

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Knock it off.

Knock it off.
Sheesh. Can't we keep just one thread on a more intellectual plane?

Here's an episode of Sam Harris's podcast from January of this year.
#112 - The Intellectual Dark Web
A Conversation with Eric Weinstein and Ben Shapiro

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A reminder we all need:

A reminder we all need:

Politics Are Not the Sum of a Person

There is so much more by which to judge a person than his or her politics. Honesty, thoughtfulness, compassion, judgment, industriousness, prudence, self-control. Their interests, aptitudes, personality, piety, and sense of humor. Human virtue is so vital, vast, and multidimensional that it would be foolish to excessively personalize and overemphasize a person’s politics. Not to mention, most people don’t even spend more than a little time and energy considering politics, so how could it be central to their character? Most people obviously realize these things, but fewer people are acting on it. Shared experience and common ground —outside of the politics — is key to reminding people of this truth....
But I will focus on just one problem in civil society, which is the invasion of politics into nearly every crevice of our culture.

That leads to my secondary point:

Just as politics are not the sum of a person, politics is not the whole of society

Almost all meaningful human interactions, relationships, and achievements occur outside of politics — in the market economy and in civil society. Family, friendship, work, religion, charity, community, and culture are where human happiness is forged.

And, yet, we find politics trying to insert itself into more nooks of culture today. Sports, entertainment, pop culture, corporate America, and civic organizations are prime targets. College campuses are probably lost entirely to perpetual outrage. Among important and growing segments of the population, there is a metabolic urge to politicize things that have little, if any, relation to politics....

Why is this a problem? Because these institutions bring people joy and unite them across dividing lines — like politics. The best way to build bridges is not to first focus on schisms, but on commonalities. It’s harder to hate your political opponent when you find out he roots for the same basketball team, laughs at the same comics, enjoys the same movies, consumes the same brands — all of which should be decidedly apolitical. You are more likely to empathize with them, and then — maybe — you ease into politics more civilly.

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Sheesh. Can't we keep just

Sheesh. Can't we keep just one thread on a more intellectual plane?

If someone would PLEASE FIND MATT A DATE, then he might be bearable.

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From National Affairs:

From National Affairs:

A Center That Can Hold https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/a-center-that-can-hold
Definitely worth the read, no matter where you are on the issues of the day.

It discusses the ideas of American historian Peter Viereck whose work began in the years following WWII. Much to say about how unmooring ideals of freedom and democracy from their historical evolution makes way for the extremes and the various forms that tyranny and authoritarian rule can take.

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A long article from Quillette

A long article from Quillette, well worth your time.
If you've ever criticized people for using pseudonyms in their writing, this article is for you.

The Public Humiliation Diet

Liberals used to make fun of AMGers who explained their anonymity was a guard against the viciousness portrayed by Toby Young at the hands of his inquisitors. He wrote under his own name, of course. For 30 years. And has since lost everything except his health and his family.

Let there be no doubt that the Left has plenty of people who will try to get you fired - or worse - for inartful speech or unpopular opinion.

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mm: I do intend to read this

mm: I do intend to read this article, though it presents an unappealing choice to me.

There is a limit to how long an article I "enjoy" reading on the screen; I get tired of scrolling after 3 pages or so.

At some point, I long for something I can hold in my hand and make notes on. On the other hand, I have a thresh-hold beyond beyond which I don't like using my printer, since it tends to act up and/or want toner cartridge replacement more often than I would like.

So I will grudgingly read this one on the screen.

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Correction: the article

Correction: the article itself wasn't all that long. Turns out when I first checked it out, the quick scroll I did included all the comments. Combined, they made the task look appallingly tiresome.

Interesting read....if only in the personal diary category.

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This is the same commentary

This is the same commentary that Toolsmith has cited in introducing a separate thread.

I've now read it twice. That's OK though.

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Heather Mac Donald in

Heather Mac Donald in Quillette:

The Death of the Author and the End of Empathy

The anti-cultural appropriation crusade views racial and sexual identity as something that can be stolen, if a writer from an allegedly privileged group has not been granted ‘permission’ (from whom is never clear) to imagine the life of someone from an official victim group. Publishers are at present rejecting manuscripts of novels and stories because their authors entered into the forbidden territory of victim identity...

Harriet Beecher Stowe, Twain, Thackeray, and countless other authors who have expanded the radius of human sympathy could not be published today. Robert Louis Stevenson, Thomas Hardy, and William Faulkner, among others, used dialects in their novels; who is to say whose languages are off limits? ...

White editors will demur from Jarra’s demand that they step down, of course. Instead, they will keep their positions of authority and compensate for their whiteness with ever more exacting tests of who gets to say what. Such barriers around the human imagination spell the end of literature and the end of empathy.

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I have started to believe

I have started to believe that our old institutions will have to repkaced. Academic, Literary, Journalistic, Scientific, Financial, even Medical. All are corrupted by the New religion of hate and revenge.

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In the Atlantic, no less:

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