Trouble is Roger it appears that the gov. has figured out how to stop it !
The "know what is coming" cry has been said just a little to much.
The repetitions from the bunker aren't ringing any better.
The best words have been spoken by the Sheriff of that county in the news conference.
I agree with Bruce's last sentence. I watched it just a moment ago. The sheriff said "This needs to stop now!" He should have added, "You federal LEOs have 48 hours to get out of my county."
It seems that there is another version of events that does not adhere to the law enforcement "sequence of events".
Eyewitness Says Feds Ambushed Bundys, 100 Shots Fired at Passengers, Lavoy Finicum Killed With ‘Hands Up’
January 27, 2016 By 21wire 96 Comments
What I would like to know is just where these people were traveling to when they were assaulted. They alwasys said that they would leave when their issues were addressed. Were they traveling to a meeting and promised safety in exchange for attending? Seems likely. But how many times have we been told that an officer was assaulted and in fear for his life? But then the video shows up and he is shown to be murdering a man by shooting him in the back? Or an officer simply shooting someone who is sitting in their automobile with the windows closed?
Well, here's the other version of events: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/01/27/eyewitness-says-feds-ambushed-bund...
What truly makes the cover-up stand out is when a reasonable citizen can see the action for what it is and a prosecutor refuses to indite because the "officer followed procedure". Personally, I think that an anonymous jury with NO ties to law enforcement should make that decision. The only trouble with that is that their identities are always known by "The Law". No intimidation there. Yeah, right.
"Eyewitness" describes a nebulous class of observers who have time and again been found highly unreliable; check with any judge, lawyer or court clerk.
I also note that hero ex marine turned himself in , in Arizona !
"What I would like to know is just where these people were traveling to when they were assaulted."
To a neighboring county 70 miles away from the protest site for a community meeting. It was a setup. By the way, a lady riding in the same car as Finicum saw the whole shooting incident. He was unarmed, got out of the car, put his hands up and spoke harshly to the officer. (Hint to patriots. Do not speak harshly to officers without backup.)
Contempt of Cop.
Why to question the King's soldiers is to question the King himself, and we all know the King is really good at killing people and was given the right to do so, by our congress.
If this was Yemen, the King could have just called in a drone strike and taken out the entire motorcade. I'd bet there were many "suspected terrorists" in the group.
They desire a peaceful solution to Federal land issues.http://mashable.com/2016/01/27/militia-live-stream-defendyourbase/#9vlAh...
P.S. Since people are posting here in support , Google is available with travel plans sites for Oregon.
Remember to take out trash before leaving.
So what you think drone strike them?
Isn't it about time that the King starts using all the means available to him to control these domestic terrorists?
I'd bet a good segment of the populace would cheer, don't you. Why dick around with tanks injecting gas into a building or burning a building to the ground when you can just have a 12 year old kid in Nevada fly a predator drone over there and kaboom. Problemo solved.
The entire issue is valid. The entire means of resolution is invalid as presently being tried.
The ridiculousness of your post exceeds most of your others.
You mean many wouldn't cheer?
You think the government is beyond using drones to kill Americans? They already have.
Aren't some calling these people domestic terrorists?
What is ridiculous, the thought that government will progress to using drones to solve situations like this?
Why would government risk the lives of federal agents when they can just blow them to Kingdom come?
I know what is ridiculous about it, that government would tip their hand by doing this in the US, then lots of citizens would understand what they are up against.
Well the governments history of how they handle these incidents and the cover-ups that have ensued after does not give much credence to the governments version now. I am surprised there is no cellphone video of the ambush. Lets see what the vehicles look like, full of bullet holes or not.
Well some bought lie about hands up with the "Gentle Giant" is it others' time now !
Take the words of the ceased ,recorded numerous times ,the fact he drove off from police stop ( your words ambush)
and start there.
Who said he drove off, the police? I read that they did not drive off.. I guess after Obama gets to the bottom of Fast and Furious, IRS targeting conservatives he might get to the bottom of this.
The purported driver of the vehicle that drove off says that Finicum "charged at police". The police claim that he was armed. In any case, when dealing with people who have been occupying a building, calling for organized militia to help and carrying AR-15s claiming that they won't go to jail, the police would do well to to protect themselves. What do these people expect? Now that one of them is on video screaming "kill the FBI" I expect law enforcement to be even more cautious in any confrontation. The Oath Keepers have been put on alert. The press is reporting that most of the protesters have left now, and the rest won't last long. Time for them to go home. Those in custody may well be spending time in prison soon.
Next thing we hear will be an assault on masons "occupying" a lodge. or perhaps those awful farmers armed with their various pesticides occupying a trade show. Isn't it wonderful how well the compliant media can report first hand info without ever being on the scene.
The media reports what they are told by the government, is there any surprise there?
The media has been reporting what they have been told for at least a century if not a century and a half, as long as there was king and a town crier.
Now if these rebels had any sense they should have known that something was going to happen and they should have videoed it, but most likely any record of what happened would be gone
" if these rebels had any sense "
The point exactly !
They would have known this tactic wasn't going to work except to keep the narrative going.
Actually their choice of sites to occupy was their first and biggest mistake.
You and your narrative Bruce do you think the federal government has a narrative does the media have a narrative do the gop and demos have a narrative?
I'd never sit my ass in one place and dare the government to do something about it. What don't these rebels understand about history, these fools. What did anyone learn from Waco? America loves crushing rebels.
The reason I asked about a drone strike in Oregon was I remember what was said about Waco at the time as the stand-off went on. There were several people that I had some respect for, who agreed the best thing to do was just call in a air strike. Such is the psyche of the American people or some strain of them. Nuke the bastards, to question my King is to question my family's heritage as an American.
It is a tribal thing, I am subject to such things, see nothing wrong with it, other than the fact that America is no longer a tribe, but a nation that many of us no longer recognize. Obama says we just have to get used to the change.
Not mine ,it ended with wrong tactics to resolve a complex problem.
See you are still referencing past events what you heard then was the same stupid paranoid crap
from the bunker. That event was handled wrong doesn't mean this one was or is being handled wrong.
The best thing about the media is they have been fairly restrained in not giving these heroes to much attention.
.Their leader has spoken via his attorney , go home !
The narrative and the bunker is that it Bruce.
I'm talking about old unsubstantiated paranoid BS from a bunker?
Who is delusional here, it isn't me. The shit that went down in waco is fairly well documented, you believe the government's side of it per usual.
So we shouldn't talk about past events, so how do we learn from history then.
The government does what governments always do they push push and then when someone pushes back they make an example out of them for all to see. Because they are in charge and they are the masters> That is what they want us to see.
Has been going on since time memorial and every where in ever nation and every time, from rome to now.
Yeah we are just paranoid, while many others are just stupid.
You have reached the end here , I can offer nothing further
The furtherest thing on the table is learning from the past IMO vs. using it .
Send your contribution to the defense fund .
Doesn't surprise me any that you can't make the connection between Clinton/Reno and Obama/Lynch.
Why just a couple decades in history is too much for most Americans to remember.
How are the contestants doing on the presidential reality show, did Jeb ask Rubio to dance yet?
"Traffic stop?" There is video from the air of the ambush site. You can see the white pickup and its tracks in the snow. You can see Finicum get out and have both arms in the air. He posed no threat to the authrities when he was shot. The demonstrators were going to a neighboring county where they could talk directly with officials and the public the Feds and state police did not want tat to happen.
I reference this with the understanding of what happened to my friend, Kathy Hegarty near Jackman decades ago. Kathy posed no threat to anyone in the middle of the night when she was gunned down in her cabin by police. The bottom line is that some officer wanted Kathy dead because they didn't want to wait until morning.
Maine two decades ago and this week in Oregon. Some rogue police agencies have gone paramilitary and regard ordinary citizens as the enemy. The day of officer Bob being your friend may be gone forever.
The new narrative !
I watched the video. It was probably a just shoot. He did put his hands toward his jacket, so him being such a desperado gave them cause to kill him.
I thought it interesting as the pickup was veering into the snow bank avoiding a collision with the roadblock, one of the nation's finest jumped into the front of the pickup barely escaping getting run over.
You can see several rounds hitting the snowbound pickup this after the driver lay dead
You forgot the fact he had a handgun in the pocket.
Occupation down to 4 ,who want to leave but not be arrested .
I don't know Oregon law, but having a handgun in your pocket is perfectly legal in 37 states and is a human right. It does not justify shooting somebody seven times.
When the occupy people tied up Wall Street for about a month, none of them were shot despite the fact that they caused millions of dollars of loss to private businesses. The Oregon occupy people visited a vacant federal office at an unnecessary bird sanctuary. They did no damage to the facility and were not there to damage anything.
Roger, He did not have his hands up as you claim. He was reaching for a gun. So the cops are supposed to wait until he draws it and starts shooting? These guys were known to be heavily armed as plenty of video readily shows. They appeared to be itching for a confrontation. Now we have an occupier yelling, "Kill the FBI!" on camera. This was bound to end badly. Now you have a small group demanding that they not be arrested for their illegal actions.
It is the Oregon occupy people.
Note: how that changes the narrative. It leaves out armed ,protesters ,vandals , etc.etc..