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landry
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Certified Loggers

Who certifies the loggers that cut on others land? What controll does they have over the loggers they certify. Where can they be reached? All information welcome.
Bud

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Certified Loggers

Two quick Google searches for Maine Certified Logger found the following:
[url=http://www.moosehead.net/clp/]Certified Logging Professional[/url]
[url=http://www.mainetreefoundation.org/]Maine Tree Foundation[/url]
I'm sure that a perusal of these two sites will give you the info you need Bud!

landry
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Certified Loggers

Gaffer, Thank you,
Bud

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ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENITITY

You could alway call the Forest Ranger in your area if you are having problems Bud.

Oh Wait aren't they another government enitity? :shock:

:lol:

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For the ins and outs, I might PM Doug Thomas.

landry
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The reason I have asked is that a man who represented himself as a certified logger, apparently just gave the daughter of a very close friend, now deceased, a royal screwing. This lady, now living in Sanford, wanted the land her father left her selectively cut with the down falls picked up. Where this certified logger cut it is barren, with nothing left but rutted land without a bush on it. This land is naked.

Is this the way certified loggers cut?
bud

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It's unfortunate the lady didn't first consult a forester before hiring anyone to cut trees. Most foresters can recommend a good contractor to do the work. I have friends who own land in Blanchard who had the same thing happen to them. Hired a local logger without consulting a forester. The land was cleared, not selectively cut, and they were never paid what they were owed for the timber. Eventually a class action suit was brought against this logger since he has done it before to other people in Piscataquis County. They never did get their money, however.

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Timber Theft

Timber theft is a growing problem. It's easy for somebody to find out which land is owned by "outah statahs" and cut their land when they are unlikely to show up. Right after deer season is a prime time for timber theft. Pedople are busy with holiday preparations and don't take much interest in what's going on around them. The landowner shows up next summer with his camper trailer long after the thief is gone. It happens a lot and with wood prices up the rewards are better. Just yank somebody else's tree harvest sign off a site and stick it on the site to be cut and the thieves are good to go.

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Consulting with a forester is not always the answer. I did that a few years back and through this forrester allowed a logging company to come in and cut some wood. This was done under the supervision of the forrester. The shape the land was left in was a disgrace and I believe the logger got more stumpage than he paid for. Bad experience for me.
Best advice that I could give is to let a small logging company do the cutting. Big companies with tree harvesters tend to maul your property. Also they can do a lot more damage in a short amount of time than a guy with one skidder, or better yet a horse or two.

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If you own wooded property you don't visit often, get somebody local to keep an eye on it for you. In fact, get a few people to keep an eye on it for you. Timber theft is a highly lucrative crime today. The guy who profits most is the one marketing the wood. He gets somebody with an old beat up skidder and no assets to do the actual cut. If the wood cutter gets caught he has no way to pay the fine and does no jail time because he is destitute. Happens all the time. On to the next illegal cut. The landowner could become the one with a legal problem because the criminal cut too close to the brook or a property line and the landowner is liable for what commercial activity happens on his land.

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Kris, you're so right about using a horse, or horses. They're so quiet and do [i]no[/i] damage compared to a skidder or fellabuncher. I was fortunate enough to find a logger with horses and it was a wonderful job on a small woodlot. He even used his team of young oxen one week as he was training them for a fair. It was a great way to save the woods for walking/ski trails rather than be left with the tire tracks of a skidder.

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ROAD APPLES!!

I hate to spoil your bucolic stroll down memory lane, but I have a few questions for you:

Question: Can Timmy the twitch horse win the race against blue stain in this hot, humid weather?

Answer: No way. All pine and hardwood logs will have mushrooms growing out the side of them by the time Timmy dubs around getting enough for a wheeler load.

Question: What is the ground pressure directly under the hooves of Timmy the twitch horse?

Answer: About three jillion pounds per square inch. Much more than a modern cut to length system, which can lay slash down on the ground ahead of it to minimize ground disturbance and can operate a piece with skid trails 50 feet apart. Timmy, of course needs to back up to each and every log.

Question: What is the maximum skidding distance Timmy can stand to pull wood to the road without keeling over from exhaustion?

Answer: Not very far. Skidders and forwarders can yard up to three quarters of a mile. Timmy the twitch horse requires a lot more road building, which is the most expensive part of logging as well as the component with the greatest potential for adverse environmental impact.

The quality of the job is less dependent on the type of equipment used and is more a function of the skill and dilligence of the operators. I say send Timmy the twitch horse to the Alpo factory. Give me cold iron and good operators.

Hey Roger, where are prices up for wood besides firewood? Not in my part of the world, that's for sure!

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Ok, Cantdog, you can exhale now. The guy with horses logged my place during the winter and it worked out just fine. I hear what you mean about hot weather, efficiency, production, etc. but horses are good when people want the least amount of damage to property. I grew up with draft horses and enjoy them, but realize that in this day and age of maximum production they can't do the job that's needed. Still, hay must be cheaper than diesel by now.

This thread began with Bud speaking of someone getting fleeced due to lack of information which is something that is happening with more frequency. Sorry to get off topic.

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Draft Beer - Not Horses!!

No problem, Jay. I was just funnin' with ya. I concede that horses are the best for that new wave thing they call low income forestry.

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I thank all you good people for the help you have given myself and Linda (Hayden) Nash. We are now working with the man, we understand, is in charge of certification. I do not believe we can do anythong about Linda's 250 acres. That is gone, cut to the bare ground. What was not cut was ground under the wheels of the largest skidders to the bare earth. All we can hope for now is for this man to lose his certification as a certified logger. This may possibly save some other niave women from becoming a victim to his way of doing business. Small consolation but some degree of satisfaction.

This mans father (Harold Hayden) owned this 250 acres on one side of the road. I owned 256 acres on the other side. Harolds had quite a bit of land that was best logged in the winter. I had land that could be logged in the summer. We worked like that for many years with small John Deere crawlers and the wood on both of these lots were gaining on us. Now Harolds land has been devastated in the matter of months. This is progress?
Bud

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[quote][b]Dover-Foxcroft: Sangerville man guilty of timber thefts[/b]
By BDN Staff
Thursday, July 17, 2008 - Bangor Daily News

DOVER-FOXCROFT, Maine - A jury convicted a Sangerville man Wednesday of timber theft.

Roy "Butch" Lemieux, 65, was indicted earlier this year on four counts of theft.

A Piscataquis County Superior Court jury found him guilty on two counts: one Class D theft by unauthorized taking and one Class C theft by unauthorized taking.

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Lemieux was accused of timber theft in March 2007 by four property owners.[/quote]

[url=http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=167209&zoneid=500]Sourc...

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Bud,
Did your friend's daughter have a contract that spelled out the conditions of the timber sale? If she did she maybe able to get some relief in civil court.

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