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Bush considers pardon for border agents

Friday, January 19, 2007
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WASHINGTON "” President Bush promised to review a case for a possible pardon of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents serving time in prison for shooting a Mexican drug runner.

Bush said in an interview with KFOX-TV in El Paso, Texas, Thursday that he would "take a sober look at the case" as it works its way through the appeals system.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C244938%2C00.html[/url]

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Never a more clear-cut case for a pardon.

No question!

= = = =

[i]And I'll bet money that neither agent will have to make
a generous donation to the planned presidential library,
the legal defense fund OR the president's brother in-law.[/i]

[b]Oh wait - that was another president...[/b]

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On the [i]Glenn Beck[/i] show last night, Ron Paul said that he would pardon these two border patrol agents and investigate the prosecutor if he was the President.

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This is what infuriates me about President Bush. It should be intuitively obvious to him what to do here, yet he just stumbles along. These guys may have tried to cover their tracks on this case, but they do not deserve to be in jail when the scum-bag they shot is still roaming free. Wake up George!

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The President possesses many admirable qualities, unfortunately his ethos of both demanding and granting strong personal loyalties has resulted in a situation where people under him who are personally loyal can get away with some really scurrilous stuff and still retain the loyalty of the President – even when it reflects poorly upon him. I believe that this is what is impeding him in doing the right thing about this case.

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[quote="dubbya"]
"take a sober look at the case" [/quote]

We'll have to wait till he quits drinking.

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That is vary bright Chris. Perhaps you shouldn’t post and toke at the same time. Smoking pot lowers your IQ.

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I'll be 20 years sober on 12/22 :D

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Bush hasn't pardoned the border agents because they violated the North American Union policy of letting them in with minimum hassle.

A bullet in the ass goes beyond checking their license and registration

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Yeah; Right.

It seems that our illustrious leader pondered doing the right thing for about 30 seconds, then shook his head and said "Naaah."

This from: [url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59356[/url]

[quote]On Dec. 11, 29 convicted criminals received presidential pardons. They included persons convicted of tax evasion, bank fraud, drug smugglers and dealers and a moonshiner.
However, while President Bush was willing to extend the ultimate gift of the season to corrupt criminal elements, he stubbornly refuses to show the same forgiveness to Ramos and Compean.
Unquestionably, criminal elements are now free to enjoy Christmas with their families while the two border agents languish in prison, separated from theirs.[/quote]

And perhaps the RNC wonders why I send their dunning envelopes back with a "Nada Pesos" bill instead of real Gringo money!

This is one really big reason why although I am currently still registered R in order to vote for Dean Scontras, I have affiliated with the CONSTITUTION PARTY ( http://www.constitutionparty.org/ ).

The GOP has finally become too collectivist, compromised and corrupt for me to endure any longer.

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Who needs the Daily Show with stuff like this to amuse?

[quote="rklindell"]That is vary bright Chris.[/quote]

Yah, Chris. Boy u r dum.

:D
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I do not believe Bush will pardon the border agents as that would be a step backwards for his North America Union scheme. These two Border Agents will be sacrificed on the alter of politics by George Bush.
Bud

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Right?

I'm all too afraid that you are right about that, Bud.

We understand that the incident that ended up putting Ramos and Compean in the dungeon was about to blow over when the Mexican Consulate called the White House and DEMANDED that the Agents involved be persecuted and made an example of.

And Bush obediently snapped to and sicced his legal attack dog Sutton on them, (Constitution be damned) with a black suited DNS squad of gestappo thugs along for muscle and firepower - not that it was needed of course; just to send a message.

Remember that? It got swept under the rug pretty quickly, didn't it?

It seems as if Bush is taking his marching orders from South of the Border, and has been for at least most of his second term - probably much longer than that.

Very possibly from the bloody git-go.

Which would make America essentially a satellite nation of Mexico, would it not?

Since Mexico, in my opinion, is little more than a consortium of drug cartels and associated organized criminal syndicates posing as a legitimate "government" (sort of like Maine, eh?) , then that would mean that the resources and power of the US of A are essentially in the hands of a "Mob" rather than under the direction of the American People.

That would explain a lot, now wouldn't it?

Do you suppose that the current political campaigning might be all for theatrics, and the result of the upcoming (also theatrical) election is a foregone conclusion?

The well televised theatrics, of course, all to delude the sheeple into assuming that they actually have some influence in the outcome.

That's pretty much how they typically do things in places where dictators and criminal syndicates (not that there is much distinction between them) are in charge of things, don't they?

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UncleJacque, I thing you are way more than half right. If we get any of the top tier of candidates, we will be geting nothing more than Bush and Clinton the third. We need to work for and demand RON PAUL.
Bud

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Yup.... But....

There are indeed a lot of issues to Ron Paul's credit to be sure, and I am an admirer of many of them.
His credibility rating may be the best of any of them, as his long tenure as a Congressman clearly indicates a voting record consistent with his expressed positions on the various issues.
Call him what you will - and people surely do - but "flip-flopper" is one tag that is not going to stick!

"Dr. No" might well be as much a phenomenon as he is a Candidate. His rather astounding support base seems to represent an ecclectic mix of pretty much all races, creeds, and political ideologies. He cannot be easily pigeonholed into either a "left", "right", "liberal" or "conservative" category. The term "Libertarian" gets used a lot in describing him, but I don't think that a lot of Americans really understand what that means.

The last time he ran as a Libertarian Presidential Candidate, as I recall, he got something like 4/10ths of one percent of the vote. Apparently if the Average American understood what "Libertarian" was all about, they were not impressed. Might we wonder if he can really do much better this time around?

I don't think that the establishment Republicans really want him in the Party at all, never mind running for it's President. And come hades or high water, no matter how many delegates the RonPaulians can smuggle into the Cauci, they are NOT going to let him come anywhere near the nomination.

That leaves his only options, should he want to push the issue beyond the Primaries, at least as far as I can surmise, to be either a third party or an "Independent" (a-la Joe Lieberman) run at it.

As far as 3rd Party - probably at best a "forlorn hope / Hail Mary" gesture - most of the money seems to be on a second try with the Libertarian Party. Then again the National Leadership of the Constitution Party seems to be quite open to supporting his endeavors as well, should he opt to go that route.
If Ron Paul didn't write the Constitution Party's platform, he might as well have.

See: http://www.constitutionparty.org/party_platform.php

Personally, I opine that his anti-war position (he wants us out of Iraq last year if not sooner) especially now that the controversial "surge" seems to be reaping positive results - is going to alienate him from a lot of traditional Conservatives who may see this as a form of John Kerryism.

And although that conversely endears him to a lot of traditional "Liberals" who in the main tend to be unilaterally anti-war, how are they going to react to his solidly pro-Life position which is well established over his Congressional career? Not all, mind you, but most "Liberals" I know tend to come down solidly on the "pro-Choice" side of that debate.

To about any politically stereotypical ideological referent group then, there are things to both love and hate about Paul.

So how are we to explain his multitudinous following and astounding fund raising exploits?

I for one would like to think that like, to some extent, Ross Perot did, he represents a "None of the Above" vote option for Americans who are by and large disillusioned if not utterly disgusted by the reigning political regime of the past 25 years or so.

"Give us a President!; Any President will do; just get rid of THESE corrupt, incompetent, lying, cheating, stealing sleazebuckets we have now - of BOTH bloody parties!"

Only if the collective disgust and revulsion of the major party duaucracy is sufficient to peel significant masses of voters away from their established party loyalties - and it's going to take a LOT of disdain to do that! - will a Third party or independent Candidate stand a shadow of a chance.

Have we gotten to that point yet?

People were pretty fed up with both parties before and pulled the only "NOTA" lever available to us at the time - i.e. Ross Perot - and were rewarded with 8 years of the Klinton Syndicate, for which the Pubbie elite promptly and contemptuously blamed us "Christian Conservatives" for failing to "unite" - i.e.: stuff our principles, beliefs, values, Faith and integrity up our tailpipes, hold our collective noses, and come over to THEIR way of thinking.

Of course they were and still are much too arrogant to glance in the mirror as the formerly grand party spirals ever more precipitously into nanny state socialism and the global new world order caliphate.

.................................... RIP

..............................[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/UncleJaque/Politics/DedElpnt-Cartn...

.......................................GOP

............... It's dead, Jim.

.................... How many Libertarians does it take to eat a dead elephant, anyway?

......................... Oh; never mind... {B^{P~

So who knows? Maybe this time it will be different.

Now I really can't tell if Paul is the solution or more problem, potentially - but I sure can't tell if any of the other contenders can be trusted any more, frankly.

Oh; in the meantime;

Here's what's going in the postage paid return envelope back to the RNC in response to their last dunning:

............>>>>>>>>>>>>[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/UncleJaque/Politics/NadaPesoMessag...

Upon which I write "Pardon Ramos and Compean!"

Until El Presedante' finds it in his heart so to do, then this is for damnsure all they are getting from me!

* - "sacredcowburgers dot com" from where this bill was originally obtained has since gone belly - up.
Unless you are into hard core bestiality, please do NOT try to open that URL now. :shock:
Just trust me on that, OK? :x

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[quote="UncleJaque"]
. . .It seems as if Bush is taking his marching orders from South of the Border, and has been for at least most of his second term - probably much longer than that. . .
Very possibly from the bloody git-go. . . That would explain a lot, now wouldn't it?

Do you suppose that the current political campaigning might be all for theatrics, and the result of the upcoming (also theatrical) election is a foregone conclusion?

. . .The well televised theatrics, of course, all to delude the sheeple into assuming that they actually have some influence in the outcome. [/quote]

Ahah! Ya' [i]think[/i]? But not from South of the Border. Take the thought a step further to the Bilderberg group and it makes far more sense.

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Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo

have fought to free the border agents for a long time , Paul has spoke and thats good , what about the other amnesty candidates ?
maybe 8 guys running for office may open mexico g.w.s eyes .................
He has been plastered with emails on the issue and bush does Not care a bit about them .............
as i said before I wish I only voted for him once ........

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When the kids from the RNC call looking for donations I just ask how the border fence is coming along.

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BUSH apparently likes drug dealers....

....Maybe they are good campaign donors? :lol:

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081124/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pardons]SNIFF PUFF SNORT he he he[/url]

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Congrats for achieving a new low in your posts, Town Manager. Of 14 pardons and 2 commutations, 5 were for drug related offenses, from the info you provided. Bush is deserving of more respect than you are offering in your posts, even from those who disagree with him.

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Former U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are STILL in prison for defending our border against armed Mexican drug runners. The most noble thing Bush could do on the way out would be to pardon those two heros. Their trial was a dog and pony show put on by a corrupt prosecutor in Texas. There are hundreds of links regarding this outrage. Here is just one:

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2007/jan07/07-01-03.html

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You're correct, Roger. It would be the right thing for Bush to do. Let's hope he's listening, and that someone is advocating for the guards.

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[i]Editor's Note: This strikes me as a strange focus for this news report.[/i]

wsj.com
• NOVEMBER 28, 2008, 11:48 P.M. ET
Seeking a Presidential Pardon? Try Praising the Right to Bear Arms
Five Forgiven by Bush Share a Trait: They Really Missed Their Weapons

On the surface, the 14 people pardoned by the president show few common denominators in terms of time served, geographic location or type of crime, except the felonies were non-violent. A closer look at some of the newly pardoned shows many of them are church-going, blue-collar workers from rural areas (and ardent Bush supporters). There is another common thread: the important role firearms once played in their lives.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122790763963865173.html

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They are Free

Compeon and Ramos were both released today; one in Ohio and one in Arizona. It is a good day for freedom in America, but it is long overdue. They never should have been charged in the first place.

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Political crimes should never be a part of America...

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great news

I hope Beck asks Ramos to run vs. McCain in 2010 !!! :)

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Beck has the family on today, except the victims, who are under restraint from speaking to the press until the final disposition in march. Seems the government does not want them to tell those crooked thugs in government who locked them up for political crimes exactly what they think.

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I'm glad they're out. Whatever they may have done wrong, I think they've paid enough already.

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They were both released with ankle bracelets on. They are under house arrest until March 20. If they talk to the press it's back to solitary. However, Glenn Beck told the wives the men's lives will then get a whole lot better.

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[quote="JIMV"]Beck has the family on today, except the victims, who are under restraint from speaking to the press until the final disposition in march. Seems the government does not want them to tell those crooked thugs in government who locked them up for political crimes exactly what they think.[/quote]

Now I can understand that one can disagree with the prosecution and the jury verdict but to suggest this was a political crime is ridiculous. A man was shot. This isn't someone being jailed for a speech or political publication.

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The only crime they committed was one of poor marksmanship....the scum was delivering 600 pounds of drugs to the USA and get caught. After the travesty of a court case, the trash shot in the BUTT was caught smuggling another 800 lbs of drugs across the border, was tried and convicted, and got LESS time than the two border agents doing their job.

There was another crap case on the border that just reported out today...

[url=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/17/illegal-aliens-awarded-78000-in-da...

There is something rotten in the state of criminal justice on that border...

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