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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - Bangor Daily News

By Meg Haskell
Bangor Daily News

BANGOR "” If a group of local public health advocates is successful, Bangor could become the first place in Maine where smoking a cigarette in your car is illegal when a child is present. A proposed city ordinance would allow police to impose a $50 fine on a driver or passenger who lights up in any motor vehicle if there is anyone younger than 18 in that vehicle.

Under Maine law, it is illegal to smoke until the age of 18.

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knew it was coming

:roll:

when will it ever end ??

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"when will it ever end ??"

NEVER but you knew that already

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While I think it is mean, nasty, horrible, rude, and cruel to smoke around children... I don't like expanded government. On the other hand, though... I do think it's somewhat abusive to expose your children to carcinogens. I think smoking around children is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more harmful than spanking them, even with a paddle.

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Catherine, so we shouldn't allow parents to move into brand new houses? Or feed them food with artificial sweetners?

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Catherine wrote I think smoking around children is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more harmful than spanking them, even with a paddle.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. My mom and dad smoked and there was no harm to my brother nor I. My wife and I had five children, we both smoked from our teens and there's no harm to our children.
We've both stopped smoking but it has nothing to do with second hand smoke. It's outrageously expensive.

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Can reaching into my McDonald's bag for the fries while driving home be far behind? :shock:

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[quote="Al Amoling"]...My mom and dad smoked and there was no harm to my brother nor I. My wife and I had five children, we both smoked from our teens and there's no harm to our children... [/quote]

Oh, please.

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Chairman family history has no relevance???

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I have mixed feelings on this one. I am against expanded government regulations, but I shake my head every time I see two adults puffing away with children in the back seat. What's the answer?

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The answer is simple. STOP BEING NOSY. Put your the blinders on. This state has been going down the slippery slope of being a Nanny state.

I too grew up on a house with two parents who smoked. I can remember long trips in the car driving out to Minnesota as a child with chain smokers. It bothered me then, but I would not want to see my parents fined because of that. I personally have never "inhaled" because I could not stand the smoke. Also, I don't allow anyone to smoke in my vehicles, but I do not want to see Big Brother looking for smokers.......

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Al, for you to state that you/your siblings/your children were not harmed by smoking is complete denial. It's a known carcinogen. Bad things happen with carcinogens. Family history, when it comes to tobacco smoke, is of little or no relevance as the dynamics of that history get skewed.

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Robert, asking "What's the answer?" implies there is a problem that it is appropiate for government to solve.

that case hasn't been made yet.

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[quote="bonger"]The answer is simple. STOP BEING NOSY. Put your the blinders on. [/quote]

Should I do the same when I see a guy slapping around a woman, or someone getting robbed? Smoking in an enclosed car with children is not illegal, but it ain't right.

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[quote="Chairman"]Al, for you to state that you/your siblings/your children were not harmed by smoking is complete denial. It's a known carcinogen. Bad things happen with carcinogens. Family history, when it comes to tobacco smoke, is of little or no relevance as the dynamics of that history get skewed.[/quote]

Oh Please!

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Demogauges like to buildpower based on hate. Hate of smokers is politically correct and popular. So the hate mongers target the smokers. I absolutely hate smoking and being around it. The fact remains we can fight them now, or wait until they come after us. Hitler had "scientists" willing to show studies that inferior races weren't just bad, but they "poluted" the gene pool and needed to be eliminated. Demagogues can always find stooge scientists.

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Oh God, when will quit invoking Hitler.

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this issue shows

why our party is divided ...........................
moderate and right wing

2 parties in my mind (just my opinion of course)

i have friends whos parents smoked and the children didnt and they are 40 and fine ...............
government can tell someone not to smoke in their car but not listen in on suspected terrorists phone calls ???
whos nuts here ??
gay sex leads to aids but we have leaders who support it,isnt the gay lifestyle harmful ???
try getting a law passed stopping them from unhealthy lifestyles

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:roll:

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Just because something isn't right does not mean that a law should be made preventing it.

It isn't right to dump your mate by text message over a cell phone.....

It isn't right to have children help you paint the walls....

It isn't right to let kids run along the tops of retaining walls....

But no one has made the case why government needs to do something about this.

No one has answered why, if we outlawed smoking in cars, why we wouldn't bar parents from moving their children into brand new homes or bar parents from allowing their children to consume artificial sweetners.

If it's wrong, in all cases, then we need a law. Otherwise it's something that just isn't right because it offends [b]our own[/b] sensibilities.

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[quote]Should I do the same when I see a guy slapping around a woman, or someone getting robbed? Smoking in an enclosed car with children is not illegal, but it ain't right.[/quote]

Big difference......
It will take hundreds to thousands of exposures to cigarettes by second hand smoke to even have a small chance of big harm. It is not of immediate harm. Being physical or threatened is an immediate danger.

I'm sure that when you drive by McDonald's you see fat people eating cheeseburgers. Are you prepared to fine them for eating to much fat? I would daresay you are not. But this is exactly what you are doing when you want to fine smokers in a car with a child.

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I think it safe to assume that if parents smoke with their children in the car then they likely smoke with their children in the home they live in. The next logical step is to pass another law and have the children taken away from these vile parents before more damage is done. :shock:

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[quote="bonger"]
It will take hundreds to thousands of exposures to cigarettes by second hand smoke to even have a small chance of big harm. It is not of immediate harm.[/quote]

Is that an opinion, or is it scientific fact. If it is your opinion, you should stated it as such.

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Should children have the right to tell an adult, "please don't smoke by me, it bother me?"

[quote]Lung disease, including lung cancer, is the third leading cause of death in the U.S. Secondhand smoke:

Can cause lung cancer in nonsmokers; the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency lists it as a Group A carcinogen, a rating used only for substances (i.e., asbestos) proven to cause cancer in humans .
Will cause an estimated 3,000 lung cancer deaths this year.
Can be a direct health threat to people who already have heart and lung diseases.
Increases the risk of serious lung disease during the first two years of a child's life.
Did You Know?

Nonsmokers who live with smokers are more likely to develop lung cancer than other nonsmoking adults.
If you have asthma, secondhand smoke can make your breathing problems worse.
Young children are especially sensitive to secondhand smoke. A baby who lives in a home where one or both parents smoke is more likely to have lung disease serious enough to need treatment in a hospital during the first two years of life.
Children exposed to secondhand smoke in the home are more likely to cough and wheeze and to have middle ear problems.

[url=http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=19930]Second Hand Smoke[/url][/quote]

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Hitler is the only leader I can point to who used stistics to promote his message of ahte that we all agree was evil. I can point to plenty of others but people don't all agree they are evil. My point isn't that they are like Hitler, it is that it is wrong.

How can anyone who believes so strongly in personal choice that they believe a woman should be able to kill her child think it is OK to pass a law like this?

The answeris simple. Poeple like to hate and power hungry demagogeues will create a target and then gain power by targeting that group and creating a fury against them rather than focussing on more difficult issues.

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Is that an opinion, or is it scientific fact. If it is your opinion, you should stated it as such

IT IS FACT:

If one cigarette exposure causes extreme harm (like physically being slapped or being threatened) then cigarette smoking should be banned. You will find that only a few exposures to second hand smoke causes little if any provable damage. It is prolonged exposure to cigarettes that is harmful.

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That is all propaganda "may and could" not one solid statistical finding of fact. "May be more likely" or even "is more likely" an abortion always ends in a death but somehow that is acceptable. It's only because "the popular kids" like abortions and only smoke cigarettes when no one is looking.

Its all about power and money at any cost. Don't let yourself get sucked into it. Unless its too late...

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If you look at the link I provided, it is from the CDC.

Again, I ask, Should children have the right to tell an adult, "please don't smoke by me, it bother me?"

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You can't legislate stupidity and ignorance out of existence....the best these well intentioned do gooders might do is put up some cash or get the cash from the tobacco settlement and run some tv and radio ads admonishing the practice of exposing ones kids to second hand smoke in an enclosed area.

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Again, I ask, Should children have the legal right to tell an adult, "please don't smoke by me, it bother me?"

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Not that I like people dying of Lung Cancer (my grandmother died of Lung Cancer attributed to cigarettes at the age of 75), but 3000 deaths is not a huge amount of death compared to the population is only roughly .001% of the population.

I like how your facts start out by saying that Lung Cancer is the third leading cause of death and then starts talking about death caused by second hand smoke. The second hand smoke deaths by lung cancer is only a small percent of the deaths by lung cancer, but they make the second hand smoke deaths sound like the third leading cause of deaths.

Far more people die to Lung Cancer who directly smoke then do people who die by only exposure to second hand smoke.

If you really serious and want to stop people dying from cigarettes start a petition to ban smoking outright!!!

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