What has happened to this place?

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PHPaul
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What has happened to this place?

When last I frequented this site, prior to and in the early days of Governor LePage's first term, I could come here, pick most any topic and read balanced and well thought out arguments on either side of most any issue. There were a couple of trolls, but they were a definite minority and were mostly treated with amused tolerance.

Now it seems like the place is infested with 13 year old Internet Commandos posting out of their Mommy's basement.

Celebrating the imminent demise of a media figure? Really? Like him, don't like him but have a little respect and support your position with facts, not hyperbole.

I suppose I can still wade through the trash talking in hopes of finding enough actual information to make an intelligent decision in the upcoming election, but I must say it's VERY tiresome.

Disappointing to say the least.

Bruce Libby
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All very true PHPaul.

All very true PHPaul.
However why did you leave in the first place ?
I agree with your statement but others have made it and not come back.
IMO there is a shared responsibility owned by those who left , I think it could be called enabling.

Have you said it to the owner ?

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PHPaul

PHPaul
AMG has suffered the same demise that everything else that liberals touch has suffered.
It's turned to shit.

PHPaul
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Hi, Bruce

Hi, Bruce

I didn't leave so much as I drifted away. I found this place while looking for reliable information from which to make a decision about voting for LePage, found it and then more-or-less lost interest as I am not a particularly political person.

Now I'm back for the same reason: Trying to educate myself about the candidates.

I'll look into contacting the owner but frankly don't see that being particularly effective. I'm a moderator on a couple of non-political boards and am somewhat familiar with the problem of discouraging trolls without discouraging participation.

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It's a mess here. The Charles

It's a mess here. The Charles Krauthammer comments were so over the top and then other "folks" supported those hateful comments. Any intelligent conversation is derailed by juvenile slurs and insults. It's become an embarrassment to participate here. The owner appears to be intentionally destroying this forum - no one could be so totally out of touch to let this happen.

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Ugenetoo -

Ugenetoo -

In my opinion, AMG's decline is not entirely the fault of liberals.

Political discourse everywhere has become rancorous and tribal. One aspect of this trend is to lay blame for all unpleasant results on "them."

Bruce Libby
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I believe that the "all

I believe that the "all Lepage ,All the time" thing did a dis service to AMG. Yes, I voted for him twice, dis agreed on some style issues
but hat was met with resistance from some quarters. That particularly was obvious in the moderation department and editorial dept. towards demise of AMG 1.

Another question. Where are the voices that cheered CCoose's leaving / rejection ?

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True, but in the case of AMG,

True, but in the case of AMG, I tend to group the new owner(s) in that designation.

BTW, anyone that is interested is encouraged to check out and participate at http://themainecitizen.com .
A key feature there is an "ignore" function that allows one to not see these troll posts.
When they're ignored by enough, trolls tend to desiccate and blow away.

Bruce Libby
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The often used advice to

The often used advice to ignore has not worked here .
In some cases the ignore function can negate having to agree with a point at times. That can be painful.

Melvin Udall
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The current owner has a

The current owner has a strong animus towards anything and anyone conservative, and to the extent that this site can be a public embarrassment to them, he is happy.

Ugenetoo
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As Roger's door gunner used

As Roger's door gunner used to say, "Perzactly".

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I recall a Facebook photo of

I recall a Facebook photo of the owner sitting in a canoe, leaning back with a big cigar, a look of satisfaction on his face.

It could have portended his plans for AMG.

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I dunno, I think any publicly

I dunno, I think any publicly available uncensored forum will be trolly. It's usually pretty apparent when a thread devolves into crap compared to a thoughtful discussion.

I just scroll through them... can't let the trolls get to you.

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Not starting crap threads in

Not starting crap threads in the first place would be a good place to start. Who wants to seriously engage with a straw man? It's not the trolls who are the real problem, it's the hyperbolic lunacy of the most prolific posters.

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Not starting crap threads in

Not starting crap threads in the first place would be a good place to start.

I could not agree more.

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many forums such as AMG have

many forums such as AMG have thinned in participation over the years. There are so many forums that will appeal to different political views, why park here?

As far as the rancor, divisiveness and rude conversations exhibited here welcome to the real world, when De Niro can stand up at the Tony's award and say F Trump and get a standing ovation from the crowd, where does the little piddling F bombs that occur here amount to.

And as far as Krauthammer goes, he and Bill Kristol should get a special place in hell for their murderous ways over the years and that includes the congress and past presidents.

Was watching Lionel this morning and he made the fine point that if De Niro had stood up at the Tonys and said F Obama, they would have carried him out on a stretcher and he would never work again.

There is a war going on in America and it is not a time to be polite. As far as R or D goes that two party fiasco is going to end. Here's another heads up, the children that are going through our schools right now hold little prospect for our future.

Ugenetoo
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The ones recently graduated

The ones recently graduated don't hold much promise either.

Matt
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...said the racist.

...said the racist.

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economike sez: "In my opinion

economike sez: "In my opinion, AMG's decline is not entirely the fault of liberals.

Political discourse everywhere has become rancorous and tribal. One aspect of this trend is to lay blame for all unpleasant results on "them." "

I've found it to be almost universally true - liberal posters are just plain nasty. I rarely see a conservative poster out of line - and I don't think that it's a faulty perception. Liberals, like Matt just recently displayed have their snotty little remarks boiled down to 3-4 words. The topic is rarely discussed, just a personal jab. Most conservative posters are more centered on issues, whereas liberals are fixated on people (Trump, LePage, Bush...) But when Obama was President most conservatives took issue with his policies, not his persona.

Since I'm a conservative I'm well aware that my view might be skewed - but I have not seen many conservatives post the hateful personal attacks that liberals frequently post. To complicate matters liberals rarely self identify as being liberals.

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I have not seen many

I have not seen many conservatives post the hateful personal attacks that liberals frequently post.

Clearly, you have never been to a liberal forum or even read a comment section in a left-leaning newspaper. There are several members of AMG who troll these places under different names.

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Posting common sense

Posting common sense conservative replies to a liberal forum is now the definition of trolling?
Who knew?

expat
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"Oh, and BTW ms hogg, if you

Nobody needs your puppy shit scripted vacuous diatribes. You may as well get in on the action as obviously you delight in being a hump-toy for the communist left.

This is a common sense reply? Who knew?

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While it is early inlay a

While it is early a small example of the original question/title of this thread is shown in public square list,
Not one reference posted to the primary results yet.

Green-ee
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Clearly I have and I do visit

Clearly I have and I do visit left leaning forums and participate. I have not seen examples of conservatives spewing the hate that leftists do. I usually am the target of the leftists, trying to discuss the issues with predictable results.

Mike G
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LOL

LOL

A thread that questions what has happened to this place, is an example of it.

I believe that much of the decline of AMG is because the participation by many past posters has declined. I don't particularly think that that decline is in what AMG became but just a result of other forums and the novelty of the forum wearing off. People found something better to do.

When AMG was in its hay day it was after 911 and all the hysterics that went with that, then we had the Obama years against the Paultards, Romneys, McCain and LePage.

Politics has become rather predictable and boring, seems whomever is in there, is a disappointment. Let's discuss the Federal deficit, that's always going up. Wonder if a give away bond issue is going to pass.

AMG is just a good place to vent and give a De Niro to others not even listening

expat
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The Public Square 2016. This

The Public Square 2016. This alone is enough to warn newcomers that this is not a forum to be taken seriously.

Bruce Libby
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A most excellent point!

A most excellent point!

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Yes, that certainly suggests

Yes, that certainly suggests the owner isn't exactly "invested" in making things any better.

Bruce Libby
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Oh no,Mels #11 above shows

Oh no,Mels #11 above shows the details of his investment.

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