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Tempers flare as Maine House approves ban on conversion therapy
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/04/12/tempers-flare-as-maine-house-appr...

The largely party-line vote raises doubts about the prospects for a bill that would prohibit state-licensed therapists from engaging in conversion therapy treatment that attempts to change the sexual orientation or gender identity of individuals under age 18.

So the gay community wants exclusive access to the children and indoctrinate them all through public school.
sweet....

Opponents’ comments about religion prompted Rep. Craig Hickman, an openly gay evangelical Christian, to share his own painful experiences of the counseling he received as a young man.

There is no such creature. Imaginary? Deceived? hard to tell.

Nine states have enacted similar prohibitions on conversion therapy, and others are debating similar proposals this year.
Agenda to destroy the family spreading like a disease.

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Conversion therapy just

Conversion therapy just creates closeted gay people. Please for the love of God let gay people be gay.

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So gender is fluid, but gay

So gender is fluid, but gay is set in stone?

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Yes; try to get it straight.

Yes; try to get it straight.

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This therapy is dangerous and

This therapy is dangerous and causes harm. It should be banned.

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Charlotte, I agree.

Charlotte, I agree.

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Being gay even today can

Being gay even today can result in harm.
The therapy I suppose has worked in some cases,which appears to an element that few in oppositon want to talk about.

I wonder how many of these counselors etc. have treated a person for suicidal issues and lost them to suicide or for drug dependency
and lost them?

W/out a long and drawn out discussion w/ the associated name calling etc. ,that will occur . I feel this is an issue that just shouldn't be decided in the state house!

For those who haven't been around long and not familiar with past threads ,I wish every day the good friend I lost from his own bad choices ,someone would have tried it.

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This therapy is dangerous and

This therapy is dangerous and causes harm to homosexual predatory activity against children, It should be banned.

There Char, I fixed it for you.

This bill is exclusively aimed at preventing children from receiving care.

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Too bad there's no such thing

Too bad there's no such thing as "Neanderthal Conversion Therapy", though the inevitable extinction of the KennyRoberts of this world is pretty close. His great grandchildren will grow up knowing it's okay to be gay. That's gotta hurt.

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KR, again you show ignorance.

KR, again you show ignorance. Connecting being gay to harming kids??? This is exactly why we need legislation. I would worry if you had a child who identified with being gay. Certain therapeutic methods that cause harm have been banned in the past. To get a license to offer therapy, we set standards. Conversion therapy does nothing but harm LBGT folks. It shames, and all the research on this therapy says it does not work. You cannot change a person's sexuality through therapy. Can you shame them into living a lie...sure, but often, down the road...it fails. There is nothing wrong with being LBGT. Once we start really understanding this...we will reduce the need for therapy needed for LBGT folks. Time for Converstion Therapy to go...

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Try to imagine if there were

Try to imagine if there were fringe groups that were advocating "gay conversion", to try to change abnormally straight kids gay.

Would that sit with you the wrong way?

What if there were "muslim conversion therapy" to try and have your children convert to Islam?

Why don't we just let people decide for themselves instead of going around trying to tell people how to think and act?

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anon......

anon......
"Why don't we let people........" I don't know but maybe you should set example and cease posting your progressive/ liberal stuff so others can decide for themselves.

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Maybe the rest of the board

Maybe the rest of the board should stop posting conservative/righty/teabag stuff.

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@Bruce: ""Why don't we let

@Bruce: ""Why don't we let people........" I don't know but maybe you should set example and cease posting your progressive/ liberal stuff so others can decide for themselves."

Are you really drawing a straight line between expressing one's viewpoint and putting your child (who has no say in the matter) through conversion therapy???

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No line but yor view is the

No line but your view is the same as the otherr except on the other side.
My main point is this shouldn't be in the legislature as basically both sides will screw it up.
Luckily I do not have children who were faced with the situation.

This is why there has never been a thread on this or related topic that ended well or accomplished anything.

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"Too bad there's no such

"Too bad there's no such thing as "Neanderthal Conversion Therapy"....

Sure there is. You may not recognize it for what it is, but it's how you and muttsie became what you are.

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Does that mean that right

Does that mean that right here on AMG, we have finally found the Missing Link(s)?
I see a Nobel on the horizon for this group.
Maybe they'll give us Barry's.

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If only they WERE missing.

If only they WERE missing.

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If only they WERE missing.

If only they WERE missing.

Its much larger than a missing link. I may well be evidence that conception can occur during exclusively anal sex, and produce a viable offspring of some sort.

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Anon Coward.

Anon Coward.
You are unaware of several points. I have no problems with live and let live, but to clarify the statements you made I offer the following;

Please for the love of God let gay people be gay.

What God are we talking about? The act of homosexuality is condemned in the Judaeo-Christian writings as well as by Islam.

to try to change abnormally straight kids gay.

What in the world is an abnormally straight kid?

muslim conversion therapy
You must not get out much. Muslims have had conversion therapy for 1500 years, they lack tolerance with homosexuals as well.

putting your child (who has no say in the matter) through conversion therapy???
of course not. The rabid homosexual community wants parental rights eliminated, they can raise your child for you. If you read another article I have linked, factions of these groups tell children not to discuss these things with their parents.

What we have in reality AC, and why I posted this and the subsequent link about school indoctrination is because using the weight of law to punish anyone who tries to rescue a child from the grasp of the homosexual agenda is the attempt to isolate all children from anything normal, decent, good, and honorable. Predators always resort to cautioning the victim from telling parents, police, anyone who may be able to rescue them. Gee, I kind of have a problem with that.

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I am disappointed more

I am disappointed more parents who should be concerned haven't chimed in. There is a group of parents, the movement sweeping the country, to put a stop to this coalition of filth that wants to teach K-12, unfettered by normal restraints, all children about gender confusion, anal sex, condoms and whatever other deviant practices they embrace. Of course secrecy is important, don't tell the adults, and use the weight of the law to keep the children isolated from rescue.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/13/parents-sex-ed-sit-pr...

Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country
Parents have been pushing back against school boards and administrators who cater to the notion that gender ideology and LGBT-inclusive sex education must be included in school curricula due to civil rights and anti-bullying laws – as threatened by groups such as the Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood:

We're working w/@sexedhonestly @SIECUS @AdvocatesTweets @GLSEN & @HRC to call for LGBTQ-inclusive sex ed:https://t.co/cJksxIba4I #EqualSexEd

(RE: LGBTQRST poster boy Matthew Shepard) that Shepard was not murdered by a stranger because he was gay, but, rather, by a fellow drug dealer with whom he often had sex.

READ THE ARTICLE!

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I would worry if you had a

I would worry if you had a child who identified with being gay.

Coming from you, Char, that's a compliment. I have read your dribble over the years and it is my opinion that you should not be around any children, gay or straight. You lack compassion, empathy, natural nurturing of children and are blinded to promote the rabid homosexual cause, at all costs, as evidenced in your tireless assaults during the gay marriage farce.

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Kenny, how old are you?

Kenny, how old are you?

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Bruce,

Bruce,
you have displayed the humane qualities that should be. You knew a man who has been gone for some time, yet you continue to honor his memory and consider possibilities that would have empowered and given quality to his days here. Encouragement and love, not isolation and indoctrination.

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none of your business, matt

none of your business, matt

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Kenny Roberts

Kenny Roberts
Thank you Kenny.

Ananoon ....
My last word on this thread is your Muslim question is the same as using the Nazi analogy in other topics. It takes away from the discussion and speaks to ones' motives IMO.

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@KennyRoberts:

@KennyRoberts:
"Please for the love of God let gay people be gay.
What God are we talking about? The act of homosexuality is condemned in the Judaeo-Christian writings as well as by Islam."

That was supposed to be ironic - a plea for religious to look to their deity for guidance in openess and loving when the religious are the least tolerant among us. But it's not nearly as funny if it has to be explained.

"muslim conversion therapy
You must not get out much. Muslims have had conversion therapy for 1500 years, they lack tolerance with homosexuals as well."

The point is, would you like it if there were groups that went around trying to change people into Muslims? If children openly wanted to be Christian and their parents *made their children convert against their will*?

IF you don't like that, then why do you approve of Christian people doing the same thing?

"What we have in reality AC, and why I posted this and the subsequent link about school indoctrination is because using the weight of law to punish anyone who tries to rescue a child from the grasp of the homosexual agenda is the attempt to isolate all children from anything normal, decent, good, and honorable. Predators always resort to cautioning the victim from telling parents, police, anyone who may be able to rescue them. Gee, I kind of have a problem with that."

And what if the parents are the abusers?

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@Bruce: "Ananoon ....

@Bruce: "Ananoon ....
My last word on this thread is your Muslim question is the same as using the Nazi analogy in other topics. It takes away from the discussion and speaks to ones' motives IMO."

Oh that wasn't the intent... the point is that Kenny is so sure that eliminating homosexuality is the *right* thing, the best way to demonstrate how wrong it is is to replace the thing he's afraid (homosexuality) of with something he aligns himself with (Christianity) and then see if he approves of conversion therapy.

If you can switch the labels and can't agree with the policy then the policy is B.S.

Edit: Godwin's law would be if I said something like, "Nazis used conversion therapy too. How does that make you feel?" Which I did not say.

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- a plea for religious to

- a plea for religious to look to their deity for guidance in openess and loving when the religious are the least tolerant among us. But it's not nearly as funny if it has to be explained.

Gosh, I love those feel good, flowery terms, openness, loving, tolerance, I don’t understand why the Deities use words like abomination, confusion, reprobate mind, and Thou Shall Not? They don't sound very loving or tolerant on the topic.

The point is, would you like it if there were groups that went around trying to change people into Muslims? If children openly wanted to be Christian and their parents *made their children convert against their will*?

Bad example AC. When a child strays from Islam, the father disowns the son and puts out a hit on them. I have never heard of people in western traditions putting out a contract on their sons or daughters for straying from the father’s faith. The Islamic tradition is that if you are born to a Muslim man, you are a Muslim, you don’t get to vote.

Finally, I am not advocating for conversion therapy on its own merits or mission, I see conversion therapy as a fence that must be torn down by the fringe group that is bringing;

No Child’s Behind, Left Behind.

We already have had schools in different parts of the nation have the boys dress up like a fairy princess and such. School have been a source for social engineering and left their original mission of education for way too long. The options of parental notification and opt out of the programs are being eliminated. If someone insists that my son dresses up like a fairy princess or receives a failing grade, no opt out, something is wrong there.
So AC, Yes I would object to Islamic people insisting I convert and Yes I object to the Homosexual agenda also insisting that I convert. Tyranny is not welcome regardless of the motive.

One more section of fence being torn down, that’s all this conversion therapy hysteria is, and perhaps the sign that the rest of the agenda looms on Maine's horizon awaiting this step to be completed.

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I have a question:

I have a question:

What if someone actually wants the therapy? Should that person be told, "No, sorry, we won't allow you to have the therapy, because we've decided that you're gay and you should remain gay, even if you don't want to be gay"?

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Tell me, Kenny, how many

Tell me, Kenny, how many Moslems have you known to in your meaningless, life cave-dwelling life? Clearly, your knowledge of Islam is limited to what you have read on Jihad Watch. I doubt you would recognize a Moslem if one came up and decapitated you.

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