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The Memo

Will the mysterious 4 page memo be a an eye opener or a bust? ....I do have to admit it was a pleasure to watch self righteous Adam Schiff whine and cry on television.....oh my God The R’s wouldn’r let the D’s control the narrative.....

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I predict it will be

I predict it will be explosive if not redacted.
Heads will roll.
Or not.

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I would be an amazing thing

It would be an amazing thing for America as a whole if this memo eventually resulted in bringing the Clintons, holder, lynch, comey and others to indictment , trial and conviction........Maybe it would restore a little faith in our justice system that it isn't completely stacked in favor of the chosen few...

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It appears that the memo has

It appears that the memo has resulted in the sudden departure of Andrew Mccabe, assistant director of FBI. However it appears also that he get to go on vacation while he waits for his retirement to reach maturity. Those crooks never suffer for their malfeasance.

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The past 8 years saw a huge

The past 8 years saw a huge influx of political promotions within DOJ, FBI, NSA. Even in the Military, anyone who questioned the social justice agenda was forced out. It will take many years to undo the damage, but it's necessary. These institutions simply cannot be extensions of one political party. A good start would be reversing the conversions... Obama converted many lower level political appointees in critical positions into Civil Service positions, essentially planting deep state operatives within the new administration. This must be prevented in the future as well.

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This is worth reading....from
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Excellent analysis. The

Excellent analysis. The corruption among the Democrats runs deep...

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I think the memo will prove

I think the memo will prove that Ted Cruz’s father killed JFK.

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One of the interesting things

One of the interesting things that has floated to the top in toilet bowl politics of the clintonestias is the near forgotten story of how hilarity and bubba came into possession of 900FBI files while in the White House......maybe the corruption of the FBI is older and much deeper than we believe......

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Never heard of the 900 FBI

Never heard of the 900 FBI files, but here's an interesting read detailing that era that might help explain how it could have happened and still could happen today.

The Webster report is familiar reading for those acquainted with the disastrous neglect of security during the Clinton administration. The report is a litany of security lapses, vulnerabilities, and bad practices in what is supposed to be the nation’s premier law enforcement, counterespionage and counter terrorism agency. Webster and his panel found an institutional bias against security and a lack of sufficient resources, personnel and management attention, all of which began in the mid-1990s.
Webster found that there were practically no controls on highly sensitive classified documents and that computer systems were absurdly vulnerable to the “insider threat.” FBI agents with access to classified intelligence information were not required to take polygraphs. There is not even a Bureau-wide definition of what constitutes a security violation. No wonder Hanssen was able to give the Russians so much classified information and compromise so many human intelligence sources and intelligence collection programs.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/the-search-for-a-russian-mole?utm_sou...

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Known as Filegate....https:/
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Holy spit, there have been so

Holy spit, there have been so many involving the Clinton Crime Syndicate that it's easy to miss one or two.

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Ugeneto.....In the early

Ugeneto.....In the early nineties the clintonistas had reached inside the FBI....talk about sleeper cells.....

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A great read thank you for posting

This highlights a real aspects of working in the bureaucracy. There is a skill, the masters of survival use, to accomplish
things by others that include deniability. The masters use,what the Clintons were and are, to get their bidding done
by underlings who think it is what boss wants . Which of course it will be rewarded.If things go wrong the masters falls back on ,"I never said that" etc..

While the masters preach loyalty it's hollow for most and rarely 100% solid.

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And the spin begins ..

And the spin begins ...article does not mention that the dossier was bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign or that macabe who admitted that without the dossier there would have been no fisa warrants.....or that macabe was fired.....I guess they are just sins of omission..https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/02/02/the-nunes-m...

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An actual analysis (to

An actual analysis (to contrast with the WaPo nonsense) shows that much of what happened was political intrigue... in a place where there isn't supposed to be any.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says...

At the link above, you can read the actual memo (via SCRIBD) and the White House Counsel's intro for yourself.

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Without the pretense of Dem

Without the pretense of Dem-funded dirt, the swamp creatures in the FBI wouldn’t have been able to surveil Trump’s treasonous operatives to find out that they were meeting with Russians to get dirt on the Dems. Waaaah!

Lol.

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Thanks Matt I keep forgetting

Thanks Matt I keep forgetting it was trump who brokered the uranium one deal after giving that $500 k speech in Russia and then receiving $145 million for his foundation ...that treasonous prick,,,.!

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I offer common ground: the

I offer common ground: the privacy-loving American people were sold on post-911 FISA use (and the Patriot Act) as security necessities to keep us from being killed by terrorists.

The use of FISC to spy on Carter Page falls way short of that standard, regardless of the type of evidence used to justify the surveillance. What was the probable cause of a crime that endangers the American people? Who was plotting to kill us?

ACLU and People for the American Way were right to be wary of FISA and domestic surveillance abuse.

Any disagreement?

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I will wait to see where the

I will wait to see where the ACLU stands on release of the memo, other than that total agreement. The patriot act was / is a bad idea

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Mainemom, no,but it sure

Mainemom, no,but it sure looks like the democrats used fisa to surveil an opposition party candidate and president in order to destroy him.....I’m not sure there any other way to view what has happened.....I think Mac Cabes testimony regarding the dossier is fairly conclusive of how thin and tenuous their case was for surveillance......and they haven’t even talked about the unmasking.........

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Here's a link to read the

Here's a link to read the actual memo.

Answers to some of the oft-repeated criticisms from the Dems:
Nunes hasn't seen the FISA applications and supporting materials. True, he delegated that to Trey Gowdy, for his experience on such matters. Gowdy did see the materials, and he wrote the memo with Nunes and staff.

Nunes coordinated the writing of the memo with the White House. False.

The purpose of the memo is to undermine the Mueller probe. False. Its purpose is to expose FISA abuses that resulted in spying on an American citizen.

There are facts not dependent on the Steele dossier. True: Carter Page was in Moscow in July, 2016. That's not probable cause, nor does it justify spying on an American.

By releasing the memo, Nunes made sure the White House/Trump had access to evidence against them before being questioned by Mueller; Nunes thus has undermined the rule of law and our national security. Oh my really? I saw some nutty, square-jawed congressman from California (not Schiff) spouting this nonsense on TV last night. As if there's anything in the memo the President didn't already know. And if this is the real concern, then clearly the Dems are relying on the hope of a perjury trap in any Mueller interview with Trump that might occur. From there they'll go for impeachment on obstruction of justice. Nice try.

Edit to add another Dem talking point:
The memo says McCabe testified that no American court would have allowed the FBI to surveil Carter Page without the dossier. No such quote exists. Right. It's not a quote. Gowdy and Nunes summarized lengthy testimony by McCabe on the importance of the dossier to the FISA application. The upshot is, the FISA application could not have succeeded without the dossier.

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On the Levin show last night

On the Levin show last night a great point was made by his guest host.
For all the players and screams of protest, about what release is supposed to do
no one as denied the factual elements of it.

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Interesting to note that

Interesting to note that Carter Page was on the FBI’s radar going back to 2014 long before the Steele Dossier:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-trump-adviser-carter-page-under...

“Over time, Page became increasingly critical of US foreign policy toward Russia, and more supportive of Putin, with a US official describing Page as "a brazen apologist for anything Moscow did".[4] Page is frequently quoted by Russian state television, where he is presented as a "famous American economist".[3] In 2013, Russian intelligence operatives attempted to recruit Page, and one described him as enthusiastic about business opportunities in Russia but an "idiot".[2][20] News accounts in 2017 indicated that because of these ties to Russia, Page had been the subject of a FISA warrant in 2014, at least two years earlier than was indicated in the stories concerning his role in the 2016 Presidential campaign of Donald Trump.[21][22]””

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page

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When a FISA surveillance

When a FISA surveillance target is an American, the DOJ is required to renew its warrant every 90 days, or discontinue. Each warrant needs a new probable cause finding. Beginning in October 2016, the Steele dossier was used each time a renewal was needed. Even after the FBI terminated its relationship with Steele for leaking to the press. If observations of Carter Page dating back to 2014 had turned up anything else that could serve as probable cause for suspicion he was an agent of a foreign government, it would have been used.

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Dick Morris claims John Hero

Dick Morris claims John Hero McClain. Passed the dossier.....read more here. https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-now-know-dossier-authors-need...
And here’s some more shenanigans.....this about the judge in the Flynn trial.....https://www.westernjournal.com/judge-kicked-off-flynn-case-issued-the-fi...

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It Gets Worse

It Gets Worse

It just keeps getting worse and worse as to what these mofos are capable of.
Now, it seems that Carter Page, the reason for the FISA warrants was actually working for the FBI at least until March 2016 as an undercover operative tasked with ...........you guessed it, meeting with Russian officials in order to ensnare them in a spying charge.

So let me get this straight.
Page was working for the FBI tasked with meeting with the Russians and the FBI turns around and accuses him of colluding with Russia in order to gain a FISA warrant in order to spy on Trump for Hillary before the election, and for Obama after the election.
This is bad and getting worse.
Remember, now, Page was a volunteer foreign policy advisor to the Trump campaign.
It would be interesting to know who suggested him to the Trump team in the first place.
Trump better be extremely careful who he has for security as it seems they will stop at nothing to get him out of the way.

Carter Page was an FBI Under-Cover Employee in 2013, and remained the primary FBI witness through May of 2016.
If Carter Page was working as an UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?
Conclusion:  He wasn’t.  The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division flat-out LIED

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/201...ore-145498

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Adam Schiff's sister married

Adam Schiff's sister married ti soros son....... wowser it just gets deeper....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&...

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The House Intelligence

The House Intelligence Committee voted unanimously to release the Democrats' 10 page memo, now at the White House for security vetting.

General Kelley remarked that in contrast to the Nunes memo, the Schiff memo includes sensitive information that could reveal sources and methods. Most likely, it will have to be heavily redacted before it gets released to the public.

This is exactly the move anticipated by Schiff and the Dems in the chess match over the memo.

You can see in the transcript here of an interview of Rep. Swalwell on CNN that "It's the right thing to do and hopefully the president allows the memo to go to the public free from any political edits."

Amazing set up job.

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And now according to news

And now according to news report on texts between the FBI lovebirds, Obama is involved and possibly the State Dept...

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Obamamessiah has been awfully

Obamamessiah has been awfully quiet lately..........

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